[xmonad] Fwd: A community-driven effort to make XMonad better and better

Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljenovic at gmail.com
Thu Nov 8 01:11:25 CET 2012 

On 8 November 2012 10:09, Lally Singh <lally.singh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Another gmail account defaults to reply-all.  Ugh.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Lally Singh <lally.singh at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [xmonad] A community-driven effort to make XMonad better and
> better
> To: Carsten Mattner <carstenmattner at gmail.com>
>
>
> I think darcs is a hinderer to xmonad development.  The lack of activity,
> but the plentitude of interest in xmonad indicate that much.

How is this the fault of _darcs_?

I admittedly haven't used xmonad much the past few years (mainly
because I kept meaning to get Exherbo's Haskell packages into shape
first so I could _have_ a sensible xmonad package, which I've only
just started to do so now) but I tend to side with Brandon on this,
even if he's a little sensationalist with his choice of terminology.

For starters, isn't it a little pre-emptive for someone to create an
"XMonad project" on github and designate it as being the new official
repository, etc. _before_ getting any consensus (since - even if he's
been AWOL recently - we _have_ a maintainer, etc.)?

I would be more welcome to a long-term contributor like Gwern say
doing something like this, seeing as how he has been doing the HCAR
reports, triaging patches, etc. for as long as I can recall using
XMonad.

It's also a little disingenuous to refer to your new proposed site as
"community-driven"...

>
> Alfredo: please count me in.  My github username is lally.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Carsten Mattner <carstenmattner at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Brian McKenna <brian at brianmckenna.org>
>> wrote:
>> > As the author of osxmonad, I'm really happy with this initiative. I'm
>> > not so much of a GitHub person as a Bitbucket person but that's beside
>> > the point.
>> >
>> > A central place for all of XMonad, osxmonad, Contrib, extras and the
>> > website to live would be awesome. From what I can tell, GitHub is
>> > being used as a code hosting tool - not a brainwashing clinic.
>>
>> xmonad used darcs and therefore http://hub.darcs.net would
>> be a better fit. Joachim's patch tracker works and darcs works.
>>
>> I think we only need more reviewers and contributors and a
>> more active committer to the canonical darcs repository.
>>
>> I don't mind and do use hg or git but let's not use the slow
>> release problem as a reason to change the vcs system.
>>
>> > On 7 November 2012 10:52, Alfredo Di Napoli <alfredo.dinapoli at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Thanks Tim for winding-back the whole thread history. I'm not a Github
>> >> evangelist and I don't like the fold this thread is taking.
>> >> I have not prejudices and I'm not get payed from Github for opening
>> >> repos. I
>> >> just thought if is during this time frame the most used social coding
>> >> app to
>> >> get things done, and considered that the existing fork of the
>> >> Copenaghen
>> >> guys, as well as osxmonad are STILL on Github, for me is the most
>> >> reasonable
>> >> choice. Stop!
>> >>
>> >> As regards the website writing thing, again, I don't want to pass the
>> >> idea
>> >> I'm the leader of something. I've just kickstarted the whole thing like
>> >> a
>> >> community thing! Please get involved!
>> >> You don't like the idea of a new website? Fine! I'll stick with
>> >> anything the
>> >> community wants :)
>> >> I just thought that if we have a new website we also have an
>> >> alternative, as
>> >> who knows we like the new website more the the old? :)
>> >>
>> >> To sum up, I think that Tim has exactly made my point, so the rest it's
>> >> up
>> >> to you. If you like the idea, please chime in.
>> >> Otherwise maybe we'll continue with our "fork" to see where it brings
>> >> us,
>> >> and the xmonad official repo will continue to be in darcs, exactly as
>> >> is it
>> >> now.
>> >>
>> >> Have a nice day!
>> >> A.
>> >>
>> >> On 7 November 2012 18:35, <timothyhobbs at seznam.cz> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Read back in this thread.  There was no sugestion that someone doesn't
>> >>> exist.  Alfredo asked if the project was maintained after discovering
>> >>> that
>> >>> there were not many recent commits to the darcs repo and patches for
>> >>> bugs
>> >>> which had yet to be merged.  Another user chimed in that they too
>> >>> would like
>> >>> those patches merged into master and that the lack of a maintainer was
>> >>> what
>> >>> was holding things back.  That second user said that they were
>> >>> maintaining
>> >>> their fixed repo on github.  Alfredo kindly volunteered to maintain
>> >>> the
>> >>> project, and suggested bringing the project onto github.  No
>> >>> assumption was
>> >>> ever made by anyone.  Except perhaps Alfredo's assumption that the
>> >>> website
>> >>> needed a re-write as well :P
>> >>>
>> >>> Tim
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ---------- Původní zpráva ----------
>> >>> Od: Brandon Allbery <allbery.b at gmail.com>
>> >>> Datum: 7. 11. 2012
>> >>> Předmět: Re: [xmonad] A community-driven effort to make XMonad better
>> >>> and
>> >>> better
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Joachim Breitner
>> >>> <mail at joachim-breitner.de> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> But what I read out of Brandon’s mails is: It is not a different
>> >>> infrastructure that xmonad needs most, it is active and enduring
>> >>> maintenance and development. I’ve often seen people get excited about
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> It's part that (and how much activity do you think a Haskell-based
>> >>> project
>> >>> gets?  if I applied the Githubbers; Witnesses model to *that* I get a
>> >>> rewrite into PHP!) and part that I detest Github evangelists.
>> >>>
>> >>> It really is The One True Church behavior.  We don't exist, have no
>> >>> organization, etc. because we had the presumption to not use The Holy
>> >>> Github?  This is the message of Github evangelists, repeatedly, on
>> >>> multiple
>> >>> projects.
>> >>>
>> >>> NO.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> brandon s allbery kf8nh                               sine nomine
>> >>> associates
>> >>> allbery.b at gmail.com
>> >>> ballbery at sinenomine.net
>> >>> unix/linux, openafs, kerberos, infrastructure
>> >>> http://sinenomine.net
>> >>>
>> >>>
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