Drastic Prelude changes imminent

[Augustsson, Lennart]

A lot of people might have opinions about what is good for beginners, but the only opinions that matter are from those who have actually taught a large number of beginners.  I'm not one of them, so I'll keep my beginner opinions to myself.

-----Original Message-----
From: Libraries [mailto:libraries-bounces at haskell.org] On Behalf Of Neil Mitchell
Sent: 27 January 2015 17:44
To: Richard Eisenberg
Cc: cvs-libraries at haskell.org
Subject: Re: Drastic Prelude changes imminent

> now instead of 2¢. (My chief concern is how it affects newcomers to 
> Haskell, which is admittedly a different concern than others have 
> expressed. It may be worth noting that my concern was addressed by 
> suggesting newcomers use the `haskell2010` package... which is now 
> defunct, due to fallout from the
> AMP.)

The haskell2010 package has always been unusable. Initially haskell98 reexposed a subset of base, and they worked together. Then some of the modules were cloned and tweaked, and any time I put them in the same package it all went terribly wrong.

I also have concerns about beginners, but it's clear everyone has radically different opinions about what is good or bad for beginners.

I raised my concerns as soon as I found out about the changes (October 2014), argued my case, made a few blog posts, but seemingly lost. At that point, much like Simon Marlow, I decided to live with it. I have a feeling we might rehash the same discussion every time a new larger set of people find out about the changes, especially as those people are less likely to be connected to the cutting edge of libraries development.

Thanks, Neil
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