Wither Haskell Platform 2013.4.0.0

Edward Kmett ekmett at gmail.com
Mon Oct 14 07:52:22 UTC 2013

As I do most of my development on a Mac I confess I currently live in fear
of accidentally clicking on the XCode 5 upgrade button and winding up in an
unsupported configuration. That makes me very leery of option C, where
developers like me are treading on egg-shells around system updates for the
next 6 months.


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Mark Lentczner <mark.lentczner at gmail.com>wrote:

> It wasn't my intention to open up the whole question of scheduled
> releases. HP has a regular release schedule, and there were many good
> discussions leading up to it. As for the timing of those releases, last
> time we looked into this there was no good release time that worked for all
> the common Linux distro's release schedules. Perhaps GNOME has figured this
> one out - they release stable end of September and end of March. We could
> aim to glide toward that.
> Back to this release:
> GHC 7.8 won't be ready for inclusion in an HP for quite some time. We
> haven't even seen the first release yet! If it has stabilized by end of
> February, then it could make it into the next HP (assuming we don't move
> the schedule up to match GNOME).  But I think realistically, one shouldn't
> expect a GHC 7.8 as part of an HP release until 2014.4.0.0. *[Aside: If
> the community wants to see closer tracking, then we probably need to start
> talking about a different way of producing GHC - with both stable and
> experimental releases happening... when this idea has been raised in the
> past, GHC central hasn't had the person-power to do it.]*
> *
> *
> The next Mac OS X is indeed right around the corner (no official date from
> Apple, just "this Autumn") - the GM release candidate of both OS X
> Mavericks and Xcode 5 are already in developers (and my) hands. My
> understanding is that current HP just won't work on it - which means we
> really should get something out to support it.
> SO, back to concrete ideas:
> *A) Minor release*
> *• Minor rev:* since GHC and most packages haven't changed, and we won't
> be adding anything, just roll it as normal now.
> *• Bump for Mac:* immediately after, roll HP 2013.4.1.0 which has GHC
> 7.6.3 + patches (perhaps named 7.6.4?), so this works w/Xcode 5
> *—or—*
> *B) Delay release*
> *• New packages:* running the normal process, just a month late
> *• Bump for Mac: *get GHC central to put out 7.6.4 which has what is
> needed to support Xcode 5
> *—or—*
> *C) Skip a release*
> *• Go for 7.8:* push everyone (GHC central, library maintainers) to get
> 7.8 stable ASAP
> *• Big Push for Packages:* use the time to push for a significant
> increase in the packages in the Platform
> *• Release in March: *aiming to sync with GNOME, assuming they're on to
> something!
> As attractive as some aspects of C are, it leaves anyone with a Mac out in
> the cold for six months: They either can't upgrade, or can't Haskell.
> A requires duplicate effort (mostly on my part), but is otherwise
> mechanical... and not that exciting.
> B deviates from our schedule, but if GHC can roll a 7.6.4, might get us an
> HP with some new packages.
> — Mark
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