Wither Haskell Platform 2013.4.0.0

Erik Hesselink hesselink at gmail.com
Mon Oct 14 08:34:17 UTC 2013

I'd also like one of the options that gets us a working Mac platform
soon. Given that A involves duplicate work for little benefit (as
there weren't many updated packages), it seems to me that option B
would be the best.



On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Edward Kmett <ekmett at gmail.com> wrote:
> As I do most of my development on a Mac I confess I currently live in fear
> of accidentally clicking on the XCode 5 upgrade button and winding up in an
> unsupported configuration. That makes me very leery of option C, where
> developers like me are treading on egg-shells around system updates for the
> next 6 months.
> -Edward
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Mark Lentczner <mark.lentczner at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> It wasn't my intention to open up the whole question of scheduled
>> releases. HP has a regular release schedule, and there were many good
>> discussions leading up to it. As for the timing of those releases, last time
>> we looked into this there was no good release time that worked for all the
>> common Linux distro's release schedules. Perhaps GNOME has figured this one
>> out - they release stable end of September and end of March. We could aim to
>> glide toward that.
>> Back to this release:
>> GHC 7.8 won't be ready for inclusion in an HP for quite some time. We
>> haven't even seen the first release yet! If it has stabilized by end of
>> February, then it could make it into the next HP (assuming we don't move the
>> schedule up to match GNOME).  But I think realistically, one shouldn't
>> expect a GHC 7.8 as part of an HP release until 2014.4.0.0. [Aside: If the
>> community wants to see closer tracking, then we probably need to start
>> talking about a different way of producing GHC - with both stable and
>> experimental releases happening... when this idea has been raised in the
>> past, GHC central hasn't had the person-power to do it.]
>> The next Mac OS X is indeed right around the corner (no official date from
>> Apple, just "this Autumn") - the GM release candidate of both OS X Mavericks
>> and Xcode 5 are already in developers (and my) hands. My understanding is
>> that current HP just won't work on it - which means we really should get
>> something out to support it.
>> SO, back to concrete ideas:
>> A) Minor release
>> • Minor rev: since GHC and most packages haven't changed, and we won't be
>> adding anything, just roll it as normal now.
>> • Bump for Mac: immediately after, roll HP 2013.4.1.0 which has GHC 7.6.3
>> + patches (perhaps named 7.6.4?), so this works w/Xcode 5
>> —or—
>> B) Delay release
>> • New packages: running the normal process, just a month late
>> • Bump for Mac: get GHC central to put out 7.6.4 which has what is needed
>> to support Xcode 5
>> —or—
>> C) Skip a release
>> • Go for 7.8: push everyone (GHC central, library maintainers) to get 7.8
>> stable ASAP
>> • Big Push for Packages: use the time to push for a significant increase
>> in the packages in the Platform
>> • Release in March: aiming to sync with GNOME, assuming they're on to
>> something!
>> As attractive as some aspects of C are, it leaves anyone with a Mac out in
>> the cold for six months: They either can't upgrade, or can't Haskell.
>> A requires duplicate effort (mostly on my part), but is otherwise
>> mechanical... and not that exciting.
>> B deviates from our schedule, but if GHC can roll a 7.6.4, might get us an
>> HP with some new packages.
>> — Mark
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