[Haskell-cafe] Missing messages in the ML

[Bryan Richter]

The *only* messages I've seen on this thread are from MigMit. I guess at
least two other people have posted, but I don't see them. Not in spam,
either. Hmm

On Mon, 22 Nov 2021, 0.34 MigMit, <migmit at gmail.com> wrote:

> No, non-UTC logs are a nightmare when you have developers living in
> different time zones. Or even in one that is different from the one where
> the logs come from. Not only does it still have the same overhead, but it
> also adds DST troubles to the mix (yes, DST does not start at the same time
> everywhere) and is generally MORE confusing than just having everything in
> UTC.
>
> Also, editors might be fast... but only if you don't have too much logs. I
> did work on one project where daily logs took tens of gigabytes in gzip.
> Editors were out of question, trying to load this in Emacs would just hang
> it. Things like zgrep were pretty much the only thing that could work.
> Another project simply used Datadog, and was way easier to work with,
> despite it being a web interface.
>
> There could be some specific cases where logging in a local time zone is a
> good idea, but I don't think that happens often enough.
>
> > On 21 Nov 2021, at 22:47, Joachim Durchholz <jo at durchholz.org> wrote:
> >
> > Am 21.11.21 um 19:18 schrieb Tom Ellis:
> >> It sounds really unwise to log timestamps in anything in other than
> >> UTC.  If you want to see the logged times in your local timezone then
> >> why not apply that conversion when you read the log?
> >
> > UTC is wise only if you really have to deal with data originating from
> multiple timezones.
> > Otherwise, it's just an additional interpretation step that makes it
> harder to read the raw logs - which not a very rare use case actually,
> editors are still the fastest way to find specific log records after all
> (mostly because you don't have to learn the web interface du jour just to
> search for something).
> >
> > E.g. the application I'm working with logs to text files, and it always
> runs in the same time zone.
> > UTC is just an extra hoop to jump through, with no added benefit.
> > (Some users do live in a separate time zone, but we rarely need to
> correlate user-side and server-side logs, we go by session ids anyway.)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jo
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