[Haskell-cafe] Comments requested: succ Java

[Peter Verswyvelen]

That's a really shame. Any idea why?
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM, John A. De Goes <john at n-brain.net> wrote:

>
> CAL is interesting, but unfortunately dead, and has no community.
>
> Regards,
>
> John A. De Goes
> N-Brain, Inc.
> The Evolution of Collaboration
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> On Sep 27, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Peter Verswyvelen wrote:
>
> That's not really true. Just use CAL from the Open Quark framework... It's
> almost Haskell 98, with some extras, and compiles to fast JVM code.
> http://openquark.org/Open_Quark/Welcome.html
>
> <http://openquark.org/Open_Quark/Welcome.html>They even seem to do all
> kinds of advanced optimizations - like converting tail calls to loops - to
> get good Java performance.
>
> And they have a better record system, a graphical environment to learn it,
> etc.
>
> So I think CAL should be in the list, and since it's basically Haskell...
>
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 6:36 PM, John A. De Goes <john at n-brain.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm not sure what the point of your series is. No one who is using Java
>> now commercially can move to Haskell because Haskell doesn't run on the JVM.
>>
>> It makes sense to discuss Clojure, Groovy, JRuby, Scala, Fan, etc., as
>> "next Java's", because they all run on the JVM and have seamless interop
>> with Java. Haskell is not in this category. It's stuck in a different world,
>> wholly inaccessible to the masses.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John A. De Goes
>> N-Brain, Inc.
>> The Evolution of Collaboration
>>
>> http://www.n-brain.net    |    877-376-2724 x 101
>>
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Curt Sampson wrote:
>>
>>  No, it's not quite what it sounds like. :-)
>>>
>>> Stuart Halloway recently posted a series of blog entries entitled
>>> "Java.next"[1], discussing the benefits of four other languages that
>>> compile to JVM bytecode and interoperate with Java: Clojure, Groovy,
>>> JRuby, and Scala. I thought I'd put my oar in and write a parallel
>>> series comparing Haskell to these. I've finished a draft of the first
>>> posting, started on the third, and made a couple of notes on the second
>>> and fourth, and I thought I'd post the drafts[2] and solicit comments
>>> here. If you have time to read and comment, I'd greatly appreciate the
>>> help; feel free either to e-mail me privately or post here. Also feel
>>> free to forward this to anybody else you feel might be interested in
>>> commenting.
>>>
>>> I'll probably be posting these about one per week, starting some time
>>> next week.
>>>
>>> [1]: http://blog.thinkrelevance.com/2008/9/24/java-next-overview
>>> [2]:
>>> http://www.starling-software.com/en/blog/drafts/2009/09/27.succ-java-summary.html
>>>
>>> cjs
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