[Haskell-cafe] Comments requested: succ Java

[John A. De Goes]

CAL is interesting, but unfortunately dead, and has no community.

Regards,

John A. De Goes
N-Brain, Inc.
The Evolution of Collaboration

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On Sep 27, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Peter Verswyvelen wrote:

> That's not really true. Just use CAL from the Open Quark  
> framework... It's almost Haskell 98, with some extras, and compiles  
> to fast JVM code.
>
> http://openquark.org/Open_Quark/Welcome.html
>
> They even seem to do all kinds of advanced optimizations - like  
> converting tail calls to loops - to get good Java performance.
>
> And they have a better record system, a graphical environment to  
> learn it, etc.
>
> So I think CAL should be in the list, and since it's basically  
> Haskell...
>
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 6:36 PM, John A. De Goes <john at n-brain.net>  
> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what the point of your series is. No one who is using  
> Java now commercially can move to Haskell because Haskell doesn't  
> run on the JVM.
>
> It makes sense to discuss Clojure, Groovy, JRuby, Scala, Fan, etc.,  
> as "next Java's", because they all run on the JVM and have seamless  
> interop with Java. Haskell is not in this category. It's stuck in a  
> different world, wholly inaccessible to the masses.
>
> Regards,
>
> John A. De Goes
> N-Brain, Inc.
> The Evolution of Collaboration
>
> http://www.n-brain.net    |    877-376-2724 x 101
>
>
> On Sep 27, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Curt Sampson wrote:
>
> No, it's not quite what it sounds like. :-)
>
> Stuart Halloway recently posted a series of blog entries entitled
> "Java.next"[1], discussing the benefits of four other languages that
> compile to JVM bytecode and interoperate with Java: Clojure, Groovy,
> JRuby, and Scala. I thought I'd put my oar in and write a parallel
> series comparing Haskell to these. I've finished a draft of the first
> posting, started on the third, and made a couple of notes on the  
> second
> and fourth, and I thought I'd post the drafts[2] and solicit comments
> here. If you have time to read and comment, I'd greatly appreciate the
> help; feel free either to e-mail me privately or post here. Also feel
> free to forward this to anybody else you feel might be interested in
> commenting.
>
> I'll probably be posting these about one per week, starting some time
> next week.
>
> [1]: http://blog.thinkrelevance.com/2008/9/24/java-next-overview
> [2]: http://www.starling-software.com/en/blog/drafts/2009/09/27.succ-java-summary.html
>
> cjs
> -- 
> Curt Sampson       <cjs at starling-software.com>        +81 90 7737 2974
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