[Haskell-cafe] Comments requested: succ Java

John A. De Goes john at n-brain.net
Mon Sep 28 09:01:50 EDT 2009

Interop between Haskell and Java is too difficult to be practical. And  
I stand by my statement that no Java shop is going to switch over to  
Haskell, precisely because they cannot afford to abandon either their  
existing investment, or the _billions of dollars_ worth of commercial- 
friendly open source libraries available for the Java platform.

But I do agree on this: the JVM does indeed need a Haskell-like  


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On Sep 27, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Curt Sampson wrote:

> On 2009-09-27 10:36 -0600 (Sun), John A. De Goes wrote:
>> I'm not sure what the point of your series is. No one who is using  
>> Java
>> now commercially can move to Haskell because Haskell doesn't run on  
>> the
>> JVM.
> That's a rather strong statement, and I don't accept it. I can not  
> only
> think of many possible circumstances where it would be possible for a
> Java-using shop to write a piece of software that doesn't run on the
> JVM, but I have sween many of these. There are lots of shops out there
> using, e.g., C++ code as well as Java code, who are already obviously
> able to use non-JVM languages.
> Given that, one point would be to show that there are more benefits
> to be gained by switching from Java to Haskell than there are from
> switching from Java to one of the other languages mentioned. This  
> may be
> enough to tip some shops into Haskell.
> Second, it might inspire people to have a look at bringing a more
> Haskell-like language to the JVM, or add more Haskell-like features to
> existing JVM languages.
> Third, even if a shop is not going to switch, having people understand
> what's out there, and where many of these ideas come from, is a good
> thing, I feel.
> cjs
> -- 
> Curt Sampson       <cjs at starling-software.com>        +81 90 7737 2974
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