[Haskell-cafe] What's the deal with Clean?

[Joe Fredette]

Given the Shootout results, the difference is a matter of a few  
seconds. If Clean Programmers need those few extra seconds, they're  
welcome to them.

We're Lazy around here. :)

/Joe


On Nov 4, 2009, at 12:16 AM, Gregory Crosswhite wrote:

> So I take it you are saying that it really *cleans* Haskell's clock  
> when it comes to speed?  ;-)
>
> - Greg
>
>
> On Nov 3, 2009, at 9:04 PM, Richard O'Keefe wrote:
>
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2009, at 9:30 AM, Deniz Dogan wrote:
>>> So what's the deal with Clean? Why is it preferable to Haskell?  
>>> Why is it not?
>>
>> (1) Speed.
>> (2) If you are a Windows developer, the fact that Windows is the  
>> primary
>>   platform and others (even Mac OS, which is historically ironic) are
>>   second- (or in the case of Solaris) third-class citizens.
>> (3) Did I mention speed?
>> (4) It comes with its own IDE.  I don't think it can do anything  
>> much that
>>   Haskell tools can't do, but if you don't like looking for things,  
>> it's
>>   a help.
>> (5) Plus of course there's speed.
>> (6) They're working on a Haskell front end, so you won't actually  
>> have to
>>   choose.  (Anyone doing a Clean front end for Haskell?)
>> (7) Haskell now has bang-patterns so you can specify (a bound on)  
>> intended
>>   strictness when you declare a function.  But that's not in  
>> Haskell 98.
>> (8) As a result of this, speed is a bit more "declarative" than  
>> adding
>>   $! in strange places.
>> (9) There's a theorem prover for Clean, called Sparkle.
>>   Sadly, it's Windows-only, but we all know what most computers on  
>> the
>>   planet run, don't we?  (It's probably Symbian, actually.)
>> (10) And finally, of course, there's speed.  Did I mention that?
>>
>>
>>
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