[Haskell-cafe] Haskell on the iPhone

Wed Jun 24 14:17:18 EDT 2009

That sounds sufficient -- basically, just tell the sponsored developer  
where to look to get started, give him a rough idea of what needs to  
be done, and let him sort out the rest.

Regards,

John A. De Goes
N-Brain, Inc.
The Evolution of Collaboration

http://www.n-brain.net    |    877-376-2724 x 101

On Jun 24, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Simon Peyton-Jones wrote:

> Advice, yes; leadership, no.  [“guidance” is ambiguous between those  
> two!]
>
> Simon
>
> From: haskell-cafe-bounces at haskell.org [mailto:haskell-cafe-bounces at haskell.org 
> ] On Behalf Of John A. De Goes
> Sent: 23 June 2009 15:24
> To: Simon Peyton-Jones; Haskell Cafe
> Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell on the iPhone
>
>
> How about setting up some sort of "Summer of Code"-type project,  
> where companies can pledge dollars toward a certain goal, which will  
> cover the cost of the work?
>
> Is there someone at GHC HQ who could provide guidance to a sponsored  
> developer working on getting additional targets into HEAD?
>
> Regards,
>
> John A. De Goes
> N-Brain, Inc.
> The Evolution of Collaboration
>
> http://www.n-brain.net    |    877-376-2724 x 101
>
> On Jun 23, 2009, at 8:16 AM, Simon Peyton-Jones wrote:
>
>
> Good news about the iPhone port!
>
> There seems to be quite a bit more interest now in supporting  
> platforms other than win/*nix on x86 these days*.  Maybe now there  
> will be sufficient motivation to make the fundamental changes  
> required. Caveat: I have absolutely no idea of the scope or  
> complexity of said changes.  I will look through the LambdaVM code  
> (and iPwn when available)  to get an idea.
>
> There is definitely an opportunity here for someone to make an  
> impact.  There is no reason in principle why Haskell can’t run on a  
> JVM or .net or other platform.  But it’s not just a simple matter of  
> absorbing some patch or other.  Here’s a summary I wrote a little  
> while ago:
> http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/GHC:FAQ#Why_isn.27t_GHC_available_for_.NET_or_on_the_JVM.3F
>
> The short summary is:
> ·         There is interesting design work to do; and then  
> interesting engineering work to make it a reality.
> ·         We (at GHC HQ) would love to see that happen, but are not  
> likely to drive it.
> ·         If someone, or a small group, wanted to take up the  
> cudgels and work on it, we’d be happy to advise.
> ·         We’d certainly consider folding the results into the HEAD,  
> provided the author(s) are willing to maintain it, and we feel that  
> the result is comprehensible and maintainable.
> ·         But another viable route might well be to use the GHC API,  
> which means that the result wouldn’t be part of GHC at all, just a  
> client of the API.  That would make it much easier to distribute  
> upgrades etc, just as a Cabal package.
>
> Simon
>
> From: haskell-cafe-bounces at haskell.org [mailto:haskell-cafe-bounces at haskell.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Rick R
> Sent: 23 June 2009 14:53
> To: Haskell Cafe
> Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell on the iPhone
>
> There seems to be quite a bit more interest now in supporting  
> platforms other than win/*nix on x86 these days*.
> Maybe now there will be sufficient motivation to make the  
> fundamental changes required. Caveat: I have absolutely no idea of  
> the scope or complexity of said changes.  I will look through the  
> LambdaVM code (and iPwn when available)  to get an idea.
>
> Perhaps we can devote a section of Haskell Wiki to generalizing  
> Haskell for multiple targets?
>
> The industry has been clamoring for a unified solution to all of the  
> mobile platforms out there. If Haskell can provide that, it would be  
> a huge win for its popularity.
>
> *  Thanks primarily to the iPhone and Android systems. I think  
> currently iPhone is swaying the most votes but Android is due to be  
> on a dozen phones and possibly even a netbook.  (I have heard two  
> announcements and one cancellation with regards to the netbooks).
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 8:34 AM, John A. De Goes <john at n-brain.net>  
> wrote:
>
> I have strong interest in Haskell on the JVM. Not for Android,  
> however.
>
> Seems like every time this topic comes up, the consensus is that  
> it's not easy to support new targets with GHC, but that "work is  
> underway" to make such developments easier.
>
> Regards,
>
> John A. De Goes
> N-Brain, Inc.
> The Evolution of Collaboration
>
> http://www.n-brain.net    |    877-376-2724 x 101
>
> On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Ryan Trinkle wrote:
>
>
>
> Rick,
>
> I know some work has been done on JVM - iirc, Don Stewart did some  
> work back in the day, www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~pls/thesis/dons-thesis.ps.gz 
> , but I'm not sure how comprehensive it is.
>
> Is anyone else interested in JVM-based Haskell targets?
>
>
> Ryan
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 20:42, Rick R <rick.richardson at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> This is definitely good news!
>
> So...  who's doing the Android/JVM target?  ;)
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Daniel Peebles  
> <pumpkingod at gmail.com> wrote:
> How exciting! I fully support the creation of a new mailing list about
> iphone+haskell :)
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Ryan Trinkle<ryant5000 at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> > Dear Haskellers,
> >
> > Recently, there's been a groundswell of activity in the Haskell  
> community
> > regarding the Haskell's use in developing iPhone games.  The  
> iPhone is a
> > powerful, innovative platform (with a great monetization scheme,  
> to boot),
> > and it's not surprising that many of us would want to develop apps  
> for it in
> > our favorite language.
> >
> > I am proud to announce today that my company, iPwn Studios Inc., is
> > currently preparing to release an open source patch to GHC that  
> allows it to
> > output binaries for iPhone OS.  The patch will be released under a  
> BSD
> > license as soon as possible and hopefully integrated into the GHC  
> main-line
> > in the near future.  As the first (to my knowledge) Haskell-based  
> game
> > studio, iPwn Studios is committed to giving back to the Haskell  
> community
> > through open source - contributing to a rising tide that lifts us  
> all.
> >
> > I would like to take this opportunity to propose the creation of a
> > haskell-iphone mailing list, so that all Haskellers working with  
> the iPhone
> > - whether for profit or for pleasure - can come together to make  
> Haskell a
> > force to be reckoned with in the burgeoning iPhone App marketplace.
> >
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Ryan Trinkle
> > President, iPwn Studios Inc.
> >
> > P.S.: If you wish to be involved in the preparation of the GHC  
> patch or in
> > the creation of iPwn Studios' first game, don't hesitate to  
> contact me by
> > email (ryant5000 at gmail.com), AIM (RyanT5000), or IRC (RyanT5000 on
> > irc.freenode.net).
> >
> >
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