[Haskell-cafe] Is Haskell a Fanatic?

Keith Sheppard keithshep at gmail.com
Fri Dec 4 11:34:57 EST 2009

There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism and debate. We
should welcome it and I think that the initial response did. But the
OP's follow up of:

"It will be better for all of you to figure it out for yourselves and
gain more experience about what is out there. Haskell isn't the world.
Haskell would be the cutting edge if it didn't have competition."

tells me that the post was not intended to be constructive


On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:58 AM, David Leimbach <leimy2k at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Simon and others,
> Personally I don't see anything wrong with this guy's line of questioning.
>  He wants some proof that Haskell can live up to some of the claims made
> about it.  There's a lot of selling of languages like Clojure, Scala, and
> Haskell going on that have real world examples showing how code compares
> from one language to the next (sometimes unfairly I'll add, in that the code
> that one person writes in one language, does not illustrate the best of that
> language).
> I will admit I missed out on the optimization thread that people refer to.
>  I guess I could read the archives, but the tone of this thread makes me
> think it's not worthwhile.
> I think what it boils down to is Haskell use is a choice that every person
> gets to make for their spare time projects and if you're lucky enough to
> have such a choice at your job, why not check it out and see for yourself?
> If one disagrees with the claims of the salesmen, perhaps a trial period
> will convince one otherwise, it's not like it costs anything but time.
>  There's not even a 90 day money back guarantee to worry about.
> As for trolls on the mailing list, I personally do not have time to read
> every message that comes through haskell-cafe because the level of activity
> is higher than my available bandwidth for reading emails.  As such, I often
> press this lovely button the people who made my computer and operating
> system so thoughtfully designed called "delete".  Man does that thing ever
> work wonders...
> Then people can refrain from increasing the magnitude of the denominator in
> the signal to noise ratio that has a nice value at the moment here in this
> community.  Sadly I think I just did the opposite, but since this is a cafe,
> and I had something to say, and I said it, I don't feel so badly about it,
> and won't comment on it again.
> Just my 2 cents, which might be all I have left these days :-)
> Dave
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Simon Peyton-Jones <simonpj at microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>> Friends
>> One of the absolutely best things about the Haskell community is that it
>> is almost invariably respectful and usually friendly.  People often remark
>> on this when they join the community.  Beginner questions are greeted with
>> polite and helpful replies.  Category theory and elementary type errors show
>> up in successive messages.  Etc.
>> But thread is an exception.
>> If you think someone is talking nonsense, I think the best policy is to
>> ignore it or reply privately (not to the list); then the thread dies.  I
>> find derogatory discussion of a particular person quite discouraging.  It is
>> likely to be unjust, and it encourages more of the same.  It's like
>> littering your own house.
>> Respect, guys, please.
>> Simon
>> | >> This "troll" was, apparently, invited by one of the Simons
>> | >> onto the Haskell' list, then asked to move his spiels here.
>> |
>> | I am informed that the "invitation" I was referring to was actually
>> | about his being invited *out*, not in, so his origin is still a
>> | mystery and "troll" is likely appropriate.  (I can't say he's
>> | demonstrated much of a mathematical basis for his trollery; only a
>> | propensity for pompous declarations, and deflection when challenged on
>> | them.  Put up or shut up, troll.)
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