[Haskell-cafe] Is Haskell a Fanatic?
lrpalmer at gmail.com
Fri Dec 4 12:17:44 EST 2009
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Keith Sheppard <keithshep at gmail.com> wrote:
> There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism and debate. We
> should welcome it and I think that the initial response did. But the
> OP's follow up of:
> "It will be better for all of you to figure it out for yourselves and
> gain more experience about what is out there. Haskell isn't the world.
> Haskell would be the cutting edge if it didn't have competition."
> tells me that the post was not intended to be constructive
In which case -- I believe David was arguing -- we ignore it and
continue reading the constructive threads.
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:58 AM, David Leimbach <leimy2k at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Simon and others,
>> Personally I don't see anything wrong with this guy's line of questioning.
>> He wants some proof that Haskell can live up to some of the claims made
>> about it. There's a lot of selling of languages like Clojure, Scala, and
>> Haskell going on that have real world examples showing how code compares
>> from one language to the next (sometimes unfairly I'll add, in that the code
>> that one person writes in one language, does not illustrate the best of that
>> I will admit I missed out on the optimization thread that people refer to.
>> I guess I could read the archives, but the tone of this thread makes me
>> think it's not worthwhile.
>> I think what it boils down to is Haskell use is a choice that every person
>> gets to make for their spare time projects and if you're lucky enough to
>> have such a choice at your job, why not check it out and see for yourself?
>> If one disagrees with the claims of the salesmen, perhaps a trial period
>> will convince one otherwise, it's not like it costs anything but time.
>> There's not even a 90 day money back guarantee to worry about.
>> As for trolls on the mailing list, I personally do not have time to read
>> every message that comes through haskell-cafe because the level of activity
>> is higher than my available bandwidth for reading emails. As such, I often
>> press this lovely button the people who made my computer and operating
>> system so thoughtfully designed called "delete". Man does that thing ever
>> work wonders...
>> Then people can refrain from increasing the magnitude of the denominator in
>> the signal to noise ratio that has a nice value at the moment here in this
>> community. Sadly I think I just did the opposite, but since this is a cafe,
>> and I had something to say, and I said it, I don't feel so badly about it,
>> and won't comment on it again.
>> Just my 2 cents, which might be all I have left these days :-)
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Simon Peyton-Jones <simonpj at microsoft.com>
>>> One of the absolutely best things about the Haskell community is that it
>>> is almost invariably respectful and usually friendly. People often remark
>>> on this when they join the community. Beginner questions are greeted with
>>> polite and helpful replies. Category theory and elementary type errors show
>>> up in successive messages. Etc.
>>> But thread is an exception.
>>> If you think someone is talking nonsense, I think the best policy is to
>>> ignore it or reply privately (not to the list); then the thread dies. I
>>> find derogatory discussion of a particular person quite discouraging. It is
>>> likely to be unjust, and it encourages more of the same. It's like
>>> littering your own house.
>>> Respect, guys, please.
>>> | >> This "troll" was, apparently, invited by one of the Simons
>>> | >> onto the Haskell' list, then asked to move his spiels here.
>>> | I am informed that the "invitation" I was referring to was actually
>>> | about his being invited *out*, not in, so his origin is still a
>>> | mystery and "troll" is likely appropriate. (I can't say he's
>>> | demonstrated much of a mathematical basis for his trollery; only a
>>> | propensity for pompous declarations, and deflection when challenged on
>>> | them. Put up or shut up, troll.)
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