[web-devel] On moving Yesod-specific discussion to a separate list

[Michael Snoyman]

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Isak Hansen <isak.hansen at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Michael Snoyman <michael at snoyman.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well, bug reports are simple: they belong in the issue tracker. That's
>> where users are encouraged to report them. Let's look at a few other
>> "categories" of emails that come in:
>>
>> "How do I do X": I agree with Greg that we should encourage users to
>> use Stack Overflow for this. We can update the Yesod site to make this
>> clear, but as should be obvious, no one on the Yesod team can actually
>> control where people send their questions.
>
> You actually do control what mailing list the Yesod community goes to.
> Web-devel is listed as the first point of contact on your community
> pages, and I'm sure most Yesod users found it through your site.

Let me reiterate: I can encourage users, not control their actions.
Any belief to the contrary far overstates my telekinetic abilities.

> The list might have been appropriate for sharing ideas and getting
> feedback back when you started the project, but Yesod has grown and
> people are saying is that its community is starting to strain this one
> in terms of signal to noise ratio.

What you state as a fact is exactly what this thread is discussing.
Can you respond to the points myself and others made instead of simply
continuing on the assumption that your initial hypothesis does not
need backing?

> I think Yesod is better off with a new mailing list for general
> support, and a lower traffic yesod-devel mailing list to
> increase/maintain it's mind-share. Those sharing your goals will sign
> up, while you avoid alienating the other web-devel users.

To give an example I just gave a few emails earlier, I think that many
"Yesod-specific" discussions are of use to the whole community, such
as the recent yesod-form discussion. Formlets, digestive-functors and
yesod-form are all trying to solve similar problems, and are each
taking slightly different approaches. Forcing us to a different list
will simply force us all to our own echo chambers.

Michael