Why base library changes are only discussed on GHC issue tracker and not on the libraries@ list?

Hécate hecate at glitchbra.in
Wed Jul 7 20:42:17 UTC 2021

It is unfortunately true that whilst many excellent point of views have 
been given on subjects discussed on this mailing-list (and I have been 
lucky to benefit from them directly), it is also a terrible platform for 
the kind of feedback that most need when interacting with the CLC.
I know it's complicated for the committee members to express an opinion 
publicly without the weight of their status.

Regarding "controversial" proposals, I fear that the definition of the 
term according to the Wiki page is a bit too broad, and I think that we 
would benefit from a clarification regarding the process so that it 
depends less on bikeshedding as the main source of feedback for Core 
Libraries changes.

I believe we have an invaluable source of knowledge in this 
mailing-list, but that it is not suited for some discussions that are 
being held here. The format of this mailing-list proves to be extremely 
painful and demotivating for people who wish to improve the status quo, 
and it is hard to make relevant comments without direct access to the 
patch so that conversations can revolve around the code.

Le 07/07/2021 à 20:23, Andrew Lelechenko a écrit :
> To put it blunt, libraries mail list has a reputation of a place, where things are never got done. Using it for any meaningful discussion is an obsolete practice and is actually less inclusive than relevant issue trackers.
> I suggest we use libraries mail list to announce (controversial) proposals, but rely on other, more suitable media to discuss them.
> Best regards,
> Andrew
>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 18:11:41 +0300
>> From: Oleg Grenrus <oleg.grenrus at iki.fi>
>> For example
>> - https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/20044 ByteArray migration
>> from primitive to base
>> - https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/20027 Changing Show String
>> behavior
>> Why they are discussed "in private", I thought libraries@ list is where
>> such changes should be discussed.
>> - Oleg
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