Random Number Update

Oleg Grenrus oleg.grenrus at iki.fi
Tue Jan 24 13:53:25 UTC 2017

`random` package provides `RandomGen` (used by tf-random, MonadRandom)
and `Random` (instances of which are in some of [1] for sure) classes.

(tf-random defines own version of those /also/)

Where they should live? I'd propose having module
`System.Random.Classes` in `random` (maybe more like ones in
`tf-random`, though I don't like RandomGen of either one) even we
deprecate the generator itself.

- Oleg

On 24.01.2017 15:35, Dominic Steinitz wrote:
> I wanted to give an update on the status of random numbers in Haskell.
>  1. It is well known that the random number generator package
>     https://hackage.haskell.org/package/random gives unexpected
>     results.
>  2. Most people do *not* use it. I believe
>     https://hackage.haskell.org/package/mwc-random is a popular choice
>     but developers are free to use e.g. Mersenne Twister, PCG
>     (Permuted Congruential Generator), TF (ThreeFish) and many others.
>  3. Approximately 2 years, I made a proposal to replace the algorithm
>     within random (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/random) with
>     that used by tf-random
>     (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/tf-random) which is used by
>     QuickCheck. In summary, the response to this was that someone
>     should do more research with the result that nothing happened.
>  4. In the meantime, random
>     (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/random) is *no longer* a core
>     library. It's just a library with the same status as
>     e.g. mwc-random. However, it has one difference: it uses the name
>     for its module: "System.Random". Other RNGs use
>     "System.Random.MWC", "System.Random.PCG", "System.Random.Mersenne"
>     etc.
> As a maintainer of random
> (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/random), my proposal now is to
> deprecate all of it.
> I am not clear what the policy is on namespace usage. Could every RNG
> use the module name "System.Random"? Or is this somehow reserved? If
> the latter then I propose that *nothing* uses this name and that all
> RNGs should add a suffix indicating which algorithm they use.
> I note that the Haskell Platform contains tf-random so users of this
> will still be able to generate (better) random numbers.
> If someone comes along in the future, as I hope they do, and
> implements e.g. Guy Steele's splitmix algorithm then this can occupy
> the name "System.Random.Splitmix" and have the package name
> "random-splitmix".
> The advantages of doing this are:
>  1. Neophyte (and experienced) Haskellers do not accidentally use an
>     RNG which gives unexpected results.
>  2. No-one will any longer be able to write blogs or papers about this
>     embarrassing aspect of Haskell.
> I believe the co-maintainer of random
> (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/random), Carter Schonwald, has a
> different view on this matter but it is best he speaks for himself
> rather than me imperfectly trying to reflect his thinking.
> Dominic Steinitz
> dominic at steinitz.org
> http://idontgetoutmuch.wordpress.com
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