# Discussion: should we make liftA2 an Applicative method?

David Menendez dave at zednenem.com
Sun Jan 15 02:58:33 UTC 2017

```Back before Applicative was standardized, I would usually define it using
liftA2 instead of <*>, since liftA2 in terms of <*> requires two traversals
of a structure, while <*> in terms of liftA2 only needs one.

As I recall, there was a similar proposal to add liftA2 to Applicative a
few years back, and there was an objection that 2 shouldnâ€™t be a special
case. It is true that using liftA2 becomes less of an advantage at larger
arities.

Overall, I am weakly in favor.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 4:49 PM, David Feuer <david.feuer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Right now, we define
>
> liftA2 :: Applicative f
>   => (a -> b -> c) -> f a -> f b -> f c
> liftA2 f x y = f <\$> x <*> y
>
> For some functors, like IO, this definition is just dandy. But for others,
> it's not so hot. For ZipList, for example, we get
>
> liftA2 f (ZipList xs) (ZipList ys) =
>   ZipList \$ zipWith id (map f xs) ys
>
> In this particular case, rewrite rules will likely save the day, but for
> many similar types they won't. If we defined a custom liftA2, it would be
> the obviously-efficient
>
> liftA2 f (ZipList xs) (ZipList ys) =
>   ZipList \$ zipWith f xs ys
>
> The fmap problem shows up a lot in Traversable instances. Consider a
> binary leaf tree:
>
> data Tree a = Bin (Tree a) (Tree a) | Leaf a
>
> The obvious way to write the Traversable instance today is
>
> instance Traversable Tree where
>   traverse _f Tip = pure Tip
>   traverse f (Bin p q) = Bin <\$> traverse f p <*> traverse f q
>
> In this definition, every single internal node has an fmap! We could end
> up allocating a lot more intermediate structure than we need. It's possible
> to work around this by reassociating. But it's complicated (see
> Control.Lens.Traversal.confusing[1]), it's expensive, and it can break
> things in the presence of infinite structures with lazy applicatives (see
> Dan Doel's blog post on free monoids[2] for a discussion of a somewhat
> related issue). With liftA2 as a method, we don't need to reassociate!
>
> traverse f (Bin p q) = liftA2 Bin (traverse f p) (traverse f q)
>
> The complication with Traversable instances boils down to an efficiency
> asymmetry in <*> association. According to the "composition" law,
>
> (.) <\$> u <*> v <*> w = u <*> (v <*> w)
>
> But the version on the left has an extra fmap, which may not be cheap.
> With liftA2 in the class, we get a more balanced law:
>
> If for all x and y, p (q x y) = f x . g y, then liftA2 p (liftA2 q u v) =
> liftA2 f u . liftA2 g v
>
>
> Control-Lens-Traversal.html#g:11
>
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