Civility notes (was "Traversable instances for (,,) a b")

[Tony Morris]

> It's your fault if you didn't get the joke"

This never happened.

> Ideal would be a quick "Sorry!"

This did.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:18 AM, Tom Murphy <amindfv at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Fumiaki!
>
>      I agree with you that some poorly-chosen words by a few people have
> soured this conversation, but please don't let that turn you completely off
> of the productive conversation most of us are attempting to have! I think
> it's largely been successful, too: even if many of us haven't changed our
> -1/+1 votes, I for one have had my ideas challenged and have a more nuanced
> view than before talking with everyone here.
>      Henning and Edward are two examples (one from each side of the +1/-1
> chasm) who have been aided by this discussion, in making important progress
> to finding a middle ground (each in the form of proposed compiler changes).
>
>      To the rest of us: Fumiaki regretting having posted here is a pretty
> stark example of why speaking politely matters. People being scared away
> and feeling unwelcome is a real phenomenon, and we need to do our part to
> fix it. I'd propose:
>
>      - If you haven't read it already, SPJ recently wrote a heartfelt
> letter on the subject [0]. We've gotten better since then, but clearly
> we're not finished.
>      - Civility is a norm, and norms sometimes need to be enforced. From a
> distance, we all look bad (and unwelcoming!) if anyone is hostile and we
> don't make it clear it's not acceptable. Speak up! That said, everyone
> makes mistakes - try to give people space to apologize and move on.
>      - If someone says something insulting to you, please take that as a
> sign to become more polite, not less so. The downward spiral is real.
>
>      If you're called out for saying something regrettable (again,
> regardless of if you're +1 or -1 on this issue), *please* take our desire
> for civil conversation seriously. Responses like (I'm paraphrasing, and not
> trying to cite anyone specifically): "It was a joke (mostly)" and "It's
> your fault if you didn't get the joke" are worse than not writing anything
> at all. Ideal would be a quick "Sorry!"
>
> Thanks, all!
> Tom
>
> [0] https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell/2016-September/024995.html
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Fumiaki Kinoshita <fumiexcel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The discussion has diverged to flaming due to a few offensive people. I
>> guess I shouldn't have posted a proposal here, I should have submitted a
>> patch instead.
>>
>> 2017-03-23 19:53 GMT+09:00 Fumiaki Kinoshita <fumiexcel at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> It's surprising that they are missing (forgive me, I'm not here to make
>>> people grumpy).
>>>
>>
>>
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