[Haskell-cafe] Haskell Usage

Wed Nov 15 20:58:19 UTC 2023

I am also a fan of Haskell, but finding a few usages really does not address the main comment and general reality. Perhaps looking at TIOBE or other data driven sources might give a more realistic view.
Yes, each ranking (TIOBE IEEE, …) has its merits and issues, but overall, they do give some reality-based insights!

https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/
  { Python, C, C++, Java, … Fortran (#12),, COBOL(#22), … Haskell (#39) …}

https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages-2022
  { Python, C, C++, C#, Java, … Assembly (#18), … Haskell (#27), …}

Not meant to prolong a flame-war discussion, just FYI to answer the original query.
😊

Dr. Gregory Guthrie

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I'll just add that there are many companies that use Haskell in a professional setting (including the one I work for!) You can see a few at the bottom of the Haskell Foundation's website: https://haskell.foundation/.

It's certainly an odd remark by your professor; but it also likely comes from their own experience; everyone has lived life in their own different way; maybe this person has just been exposed to more commercial Erlang than me; almost certainly :) So I would take the comment more with curiosity; to learn why they feel Erlang is more suitable; it's probably a good opportunity to learn something interesting!

That said, I do think Haskell has an "academic" vibe that it will do well to shake off at some point!

--
Noon

On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 at 20:25, Adrian Cochrane <adrian at openwork.nz<mailto:adrian at openwork.nz>> wrote:
Hi from New Zealand!

My Haskell usage is more hobbyist than academic or industrial, but I've
got a massive personal project written in Haskell (a browser engine).
And I'm actively for one of my upcoming contracts (a converter between
metadata formats) to use Haskell!

I find I'm more productive in Haskell, and that my code is of generally
higher quality. Its certainly not a popular language (neither is Erlang)
though, which I have to actively plan for when suggesting it for a
project. But given the dominance of C/C++, does that count for much?

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> Good Evening from Portugal,
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> I write to you about the usage of Haskell because I had a professor recommending me Erlang instead because Haskell was "more for academic purposes", which left me wondering if all my time spent was spent only for curiosity sake.
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> I want to know how true my professor's statement is.
>
> I am very passionate about Haskell, although I admit the ecosystem can be confusing sometimes (for example, when to use cabal or stack, which versions of packages to use in order to avoid conflicts, or simply installing them through nixos or arch can be a learning process).
>
> Would love to hear your thoughts about all of this and thank you with all my heart.
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> Lastly, all these wonderings are asked in a curious, "wanting to learn more" mindset.
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> Kind regards,
> Henrique Caldeira
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> Yesod (https://yesodweb.com), Servant (https://www.servant.dev), Pandoc (
> https://pandoc.com), HLedger (https://hledger.org), and XMonad (
> https://xmonad.org), among others, argue against Haskell being only an
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> On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 4:28 PM Henrique Caldeira <h.caldeira at ua.pt<mailto:h.caldeira at ua.pt>> wrote:
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>> Good Evening from Portugal,
>>
>> I write to you about the usage of Haskell because I had a professor
>> recommending me Erlang instead because Haskell was "more for academic
>> purposes", which left me wondering if all my time spent was spent only for
>> curiosity sake.
>>
>> I want to know how true my professor's statement is.
>>
>> I am very passionate about Haskell, although I admit the ecosystem can be
>> confusing sometimes (for example, when to use cabal or stack, which
>> versions of packages to use in order to avoid conflicts, or simply
>> installing them through nixos or arch can be a learning process).
>>
>> Would love to hear your thoughts about all of this and thank you with all
>> my heart.
>>
>> Lastly, all these wonderings are asked in a curious, "wanting to learn
>> more" mindset.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Henrique Caldeira
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