[Haskell-cafe] Status of ghcup?

[Bryan Richter]

Au contraire! GHCUp is the state of the art of installing GHC on any
platform. If anyone has trouble with GHCUp, that's a problem for all of us.
Besides, GHCUp merely uses the GHC bindists under the hood, so if GHCUp
doesn't work because of msys shenanigans, I expect similar pain for GHC
itself. Evidence to the contrary would be quite interesting!

These days, newcomers absolutely deserve to have a single tool manage their
toolchain, and I shudder to think of the mess new programmers will get in
by randomly `make install`ing stuff into standard directories, when they
have no concept of "standard directories" in the first place.

I'm also curious about repl.it and similar solutions.

Anyway, to get back to the original question, please do open issues on
https://github.com/haskell/ghcup-hs/issues when problems arise. Haskell
needs more people with Windows experience to get involved, even just as
reporters.

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 at 03:32, Anthony Clayden <anthony.d.clayden at gmail.com>
wrote:

> > Sigh. As a college educator who is trying to use Haskell in as many
> classes as possible, ...
>
> > you better fire up Notepad.exe. ... some decent syntax highlighting,
>
> Hi Todd, and Mig, I too feel your pain. And Windows seems to have always
> been a neglected child in distros -- even when SPJ was actually sponsored
> by MSoft.
>
> If you're only trying to give a flavour of Haskell for (say) a few weeks
> intro, I don't see that you even need all the drama of ghcup.
>
> Perhaps just ignore what it says on the GHC download pages, and grab the
> compiler plus minimal libraries. Then you can either defer a 'proper'
> install until students are motivated enough to go through the pain; or
> don't bother/they've gone on to other subjects.
>
> I agree syntax highlighting is very helpful for newbies: I use NotePad++
> for editing and not even VSCode for compiling, but GHCi.
>
> I suspect these fully integrated dev environments are quite confusing for
> newbies. (Unless they've already experienced them with other languages.)
> Hard for me to be sure: they simply weren't a thing when I learned Haskell.
> These days I have installed VSCode; I seldom use it (just way too much
> clutter around the screen).
>
>
> AntC
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