[Haskell-cafe] Batteries included

[Vilem-Benjamin Liepelt]

I am new to this mailing list and this was the first conversation I took note of.

I study computer science at university and have become very interested in Haskell privately, devoting a large portion of my free time to it. I dream of finding a job with Haskell for my industry placement next year or at least after I finish university. I also have hopes of some day working in a world where the ideas and knowledge incubated in Haskell break the shackles of current OOrthodoxy. 

While I am aware that I haven't contributed anything to the community yet, I still thought it might be helpful if I made you aware that the tone of some parts of this conversation were rather bewildering to me, because to date I have perceived the community around Haskell to be made up of mainly extremely devoted and respectful individuals. I believe many newcomers would feel similar.

The style of this conversation honestly cast a temporary doubt over the noble notions that Haskell has been standing for in my mind, as I came under the impression that this must be the usual tone around here.

I dearly hope that this is not the case. I am somewhat relieved with John Wiegley's and SPJ's words, as well as some other conversations on this mailing list that seem to be rather more respectful.

This may seem like another good reason to “avoid success at all cost” — to keep away trolls from this amazing project; but please don't let bashers endanger Haskell's success. Haskell needs an open-minded and educated community, which I am striving to be part of.

Vilem


> On 28 Sep 2016, at 13:19, Simon Peyton Jones via Haskell-Cafe <haskell-cafe at haskell.org> wrote:
> 
> |  Our community is not "divided", it simply has a large number of
> |  interests, meaning there is rarely a single standard library choice
> |  that benefits all groups equally: academic, pedagogic, hobbyist,
> |  commercial, etc. And exactly because we're not divided, we naturally
> |  avoid favoring the needs of one group over another.
> 
> Bravo John! You have re-framed the challenge (for challenge it is) as in a constructive way, one that acknowledges or even celebrates our differences, and encourages us to work together.  Thank you.
> 
> Simon
> 
> |  -----Original Message-----
> |  From: Haskell-Cafe [mailto:haskell-cafe-bounces at haskell.org] On Behalf
> |  Of John Wiegley
> |  Sent: 28 September 2016 01:16
> |  To: Christopher Allen <cma at bitemyapp.com>
> |  Cc: Haskell Cafe <haskell-cafe at haskell.org>
> |  Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Batteries included
> |  
> |  >>>>> "CA" == Christopher Allen <cma at bitemyapp.com> writes:
> |  
> |  CA> Batteries included is a bad idea when the community is this
> |  divided.
> |  CA> Relative no-brainer topics in other communities like how text
> |  should
> |  CA> be represented are highly contentious.
> |  
> |  Our community is not "divided", it simply has a large number of
> |  interests, meaning there is rarely a single standard library choice
> |  that benefits all groups equally: academic, pedagogic, hobbyist,
> |  commercial, etc. And exactly because we're not divided, we naturally
> |  avoid favoring the needs of one group over another.
> |  
> |  --
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