[Haskell-cafe] Unmaintained packages and hackage upload rights

[Carter Schonwald]

How would the automation work?  Automation in trust models is very very
fiddly to get right.  Like really hard.  Like a research problem with
reality consequences hard.

At the end of the day, it's a people problem.  The best we can do is come
up with a very audit able, publicly visible process that makes everything
easy for 3rd partiies to audit.  And prevents / catches any abuse before it
does something like break vector or ByteString.



On Friday, January 31, 2014, Clark Gaebel <cgaebel at uwaterloo.ca> wrote:

> There could be an email made to the relevant mailing lists during a
> takeover attempt. That way we get human visibility, human "veto power" if
> the email goes to libraries@, and automation when there are no objections.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Carter Schonwald <
> carter.schonwald at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Agreed.  It should not be automatic.  There should be lots of human
> visible interaction publicly going on.
>
>
> On Friday, January 31, 2014, Daniil Frumin <difrumin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a problem with the 4th step. What if maintainer is unreachable,
> but the updated version of the package is broken/breaking ever
> dependency? What if there are several replacements awaiting?
>
> I personally think that problem we are facing is not technical, but a
> social one. Call me old fashioned, but I prefer trustees to the
> automatic mechanism.
>
> I understand that Roman may have been really irritated by the whole
> process - but on the other hand, do we really need/want the process of
> overtaking packages to be easy? I strongly align with Gershom's
> position. We should make the process more transparent and visible. In
> order to put my money where my mouth is,  I created a wiki page that
> (hopefully) describes the process of taking over a package:
> http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Taking_over_a_package
> You are strongly encouraged to edit that page and give more details
> (especially given my far from perfect English)
>
> Maybe it is a good idea to have links to that wiki article on every
> package page on Hackage?
>
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Carter Schonwald
> <carter.schonwald at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Problem: no one is really actively working on hackage-server.  Are you
> > volunteering? :-)
> >
> >
> > On Friday, January 31, 2014, Clark Gaebel <cgaebel at uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> We could actually partially automate this:
> >>
> >> 1) Package maintainership switch is submitted online, with a new
> >> replacement package, and perhaps a message.
> >> 2) An email is sent to the maintainer with a link to either:
> >>        - delete the replacement package
> >>        - allow one-time upload
> >>        - permanently add the uploader as a maintainer
> >>        - permanently switch maintaners to the uploader
> >> 3) While the package is in this limbo state waiting for a response from
> >> the maintainer, put a link to the package at the bottom of the hackage
> page
> >> in a new "suggested replacements" section. In this section, each
> candidate
> >> replacement package is listed, along with its message and how long it's
> been
> >> waiting.
> >> 4) After a bikeshed-long amount of time with no response from the
> >> maintainer (I'll suggest 1 month), the package is automatically updated
> to
> >> the suggested version and the package uploader is added as a maintainer.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Daniil Frumin <difrumin at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think the proposed approach is only reasonable. However, I would
> >>> like to stress that in any case it would be better to make sure that
> >>> we give the maintainer enough time to respond, e.g.: if the maintainer
> >>> is unreachable for a couple of weeks at least
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Erik Hesselink <hesselink at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Roman Cheplyaka <roma at ro-che.info>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >> * Erik de Castro Lopo <mle+hs at mega-nerd.com> [2014-01-31
> >>> >> 09:22:36+1100]
> >>> >>> I really can understand why you did this; I am frustrated by some
> of
> >>> >>> the same issues. However, I think if any significant number of
> people
> >>> >>> did this, the results could easily be disasterous.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Agreed. Maybe we need those disasterous results to realize that the
> >>> >> current process is bad and come up with a better one. Or maybe it's
> >>> >> just
> >>> >> me, and everyone else is happy (enough) with the process, so nothing
> >>> >> will happen.
> >>> >
> >>> > That's a rather fatalist attitude, and als
>
> --
> Clark.
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