[Haskell-cafe] How hard is it to start a web startup using Haskell?

Tue Dec 27 03:17:46 CET 2011

Turns out that those guys doing start-up with Haskell are already expert at
Haskell.
Hence choosing Haskell is more straightforward.

I'm thinking of using Haskell since it looks cool and beautiful.
However I have little experience and will move slowly at certain begging
period.
This sounds not good to a startup company.

Comparing with Django in Python, Rails in Ruby, yesod and snap looks not
that mature.
Also, for instance, I'd like to build up a CRM application company, I
could leverage some open source projects in other languages.  In Haskell,
we need to build from scratch basically.

Appreciate your suggestions/comments.

-Simon

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:30 AM, David Pollak <feeder.of.the.bears at gmail.com
> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Yves Parès <limestrael at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Haskell is a mature platform that provides lots of goodies that I might
>> otherwise have to write (like the goodies I wrote in Lift including an
>> Actors library)
>>
>> I don't get it: Actors are at the core of Scala concurrency model,
>
>
> Actors as implemented in the Scala distribution were (and probably still
> are) horrid.  They have poor performance, memory retention issues, and an
> overall poor design.  When Lift relied on Scala's Actors, a Lift-comet site
> needed to be restarted every few weeks because of pent-up memory issues.
>  On the other hand, with Lift Actors, http://demo.liftweb.net has been
> running since July 7th.
>
>
>> and are expanded for distributed programming through Akka for instance.
>>
>
>  Actually, no.  Scala's Actors are not expanded by Akka (although Akka
> Actors may replace the existing Actor implementation in the Scala library).
>  Akka is yet another replacement for Scala's Actor library and Akka's
> distributed capabilities are weak and brittle.  Also, Lift's Actor library
> and Martin Odersky's flames about it paved the way for Akka because I took
> the heat that might have driven Jonas out of the Scala community when Akka
> was a small project.
>
>
>> To me it'd be the other way around: you'd have to develop Actors in
>> Haskell, don't you?
>>
>
> I've come to understand that Actors are a weak concurrency/distribution
> paradigm.  Anything that has a type signature Any => Unit is not composable
> and will lead to the same kinds of issues that we're looking for the
> compiler in Haskell to help us with (put another way, if you like Smalltalk
> and Ruby, then Actors seem pretty cool.)
>
> On the other hand, many of Haskell's libraries (STM, Iteratees, etc.) have
> a much more composable set of concurrency primitives.
>
>
>> Or maybe you don't mean the same thing by 'Actor'?
>>
>>
>> 2011/12/19 David Pollak <feeder.of.the.bears at gmail.com>
>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Ivan Perez <
>>> ivanperezdominguez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm actually trying to make a list of companies and people using Haskell
>>>> for for-profit real world software development.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to know the names of those startups, if possible.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am building http://visi.pro on Haskell.  I am doing it for a number
>>> of reasons:
>>>
>>>    - Haskell is a mature platform that provides lots of goodies that I
>>>    might otherwise have to write (like the goodies I wrote in Lift including
>>>    an Actors library)
>>>    - Haskell allows a lot of nice "things" that make building a
>>>    language and associated tools easier (like laziness)
>>>    - Haskell is a filter for team members. Just like Foursquare uses
>>>    Scala as a filter for candidates in recruiting, I'm using Haskell as a
>>>    filter... if you have some good Haskell open source code, it's a way to
>>>    indicate to me that you're a strong developer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Ivan
>>>>
>>>> On 18 December 2011 18:42, Michael Snoyman <michael at snoyman.com> wrote:
>>>> > On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Gracjan Polak <
>>>> gracjanpolak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The question 'How hard is it to start a technical startup with
>>>> Haskell?'
>>>> >> happened a couple of times on this list. Sometimes it was in the
>>>> form 'How hard
>>>> >> is to find Haskell programmers?' or 'Are there any Haskell jobs?'.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'd like to provide one data point as an answer:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/ngbbp/haskell_only_esigning_startup_closes_second_angel/
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Full disclosure: I'm one of two that founded this startup.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> How are others doing businesses using Haskell doing these days?
>>>> >
>>>> > I don't run a startup myself, but I know of at least three startups
>>>> > using Haskell for web development (through Yesod), and my company is
>>>> > basing its new web products on Yesod as well. I think there are plenty
>>>> > of highly qualified Haskell programmers out there, especially if
>>>> > you're willing to let someone work remotely.
>>>> >
>>>> > Michael
>>>> >
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