[Haskell-cafe] Market Place for Haskell development teams?

Thomas Hartman tphyahoo at gmail.com
Fri Oct 2 05:13:23 EDT 2009

correction, happstutorial is now tutorial.happstack.com.

2009/10/2 Thomas Hartman <tphyahoo at gmail.com>:
> Hey, first of all, in terms of a platform for promoting haskell
> commercially, happstutorial.com actually implements a job board.
> Yeah, it's primitive and not feature complete, but on hackage, open
> source, and ready for anyone who would like to work on it. (Currently
> maintained by creighton hogg.)
> This was my baby in 2008, when I was looking to foster happs for web
> development, as a sort of "smarter" ruby on rails, which I am using in
> the field in patch-tag.com.
> 2, the haskell-startup google group at
> http://groups.google.com/group/haskell-startup
> It's private, to encourage slightly more courageous business talk away
> from the panoptic gaze of google, but I approve pretty much anyone who
> doesn't want in and isn't a bot.
> Yes. Let's create a world with more jobs for haskell developers, and
> better software for everyone :)
> thomas.
> 2009/10/1 Curt Sampson <cjs at starling-software.com>:
>> On 2009-09-29 13:18 +0200 (Tue), Alberto G. Corona  wrote:
>>> What is the vehicle that haskell can use to enter the mainstream?.
>> Actually, I have one more thought on that: wait.
>> I'd had the impression that Haskell was becoming fairly well known (if
>> not yet heavily used, in comparison to languages like Java), but I just
>> ran across some hard evidence for this.
>> In the 32 languages ranked on http://www.langpop.com/ , Haskell
>> consistently comes down near the bottom in the various rankings of
>> use. (But hey, we're not so weird we're not in there!) But if you look
>> down near the bottom, at the chart labeled "Normalized Discussion Site
>> Results," you'll notice that Haskell comes out sixth. Even trying to be
>> more fair to the mainstream, and changing the weighting to drop Lambda
>> the Ultimate completely (after all, they're just a bunch of academic
>> wankers, right?) and bring IRC down to a contribution of 0.5 instead of
>> 1 (apparently those academic wankers have lots of time to chat online),
>> Haskell still comes out tenth, with a score over a third that of the
>> leader, Java, and close to half that of PHP and C (2nd and 3rd place,
>> respectively).
>> We've also got at least one undeniably good, production-quality compiler
>> (which is more than PHP or Ruby can say), and have sold many tens of
>> thousands, perhaps even hundreds of thousands, of books. At this point,
>> I don't think many people (John A. De Goes excepted) are looking at
>> people writing major applications in Haskell as if they're aliens living
>> on another planet.
>> Haskell is in the mainstream already as far as being taken seriously;
>> most of the complaints I'm seeing seem to be grasping at the same kinds
>> of straws that the anti-Java guys were back in the late '90s. ("It's
>> hopeless if it uses garbage collection.")
>> We've even got our own over-hyped, under-utilized supposed benefit
>> ("it's good for multicore").
>> The main whinging seems to be about libraries, of which we have "only"
>> 1585 on hackage.
>> Compare with RubyForge, which has 2059 projects in "beta" or better
>> status, or 2961 if we include "alpha" as well. The Ruby Application
>> Archive has 1768 projects; I have no idea how much overlap there is, or
>> how many of these are real.
>> I think we just need to sit tight for a couple of years.
>> cjs
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