[Haskell-cafe] Re: ANNOUNCE: Utrecht Haskell Compiler (UHC) -- first release

[Miguel Mitrofanov]

Me neither; there were actually two points:

1) It's not bad; at least, it's not bad for reasons you provide.

2) It would be here whether we like it or not.

Lennart Augustsson wrote on 20.04.2009 15:31:
> I don't think that other languages failing should be an excuse for
> Haskell to be equally bad.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Miguel Mitrofanov
> <miguelimo38 at yandex.ru> wrote:
>> Well, the problem is that every implementor does choose a subset of standart
>> to implement.
>>
>> It's much worse in JavaScript - essential features working differently in
>> Internet Explorer, Firefox, Opera, and Safari, and sometimes they even
>> differ between versions; Web programmers still manage. (n+k)-patterns are
>> nothing compared to that.
>>
>> Lennart Augustsson wrote on 20.04.2009 15:17:
>>> If every implementor got to choose what subset of the standard to
>>> implement that all code would have have to written in the implemented
>>> intersection.  I think that's a terrible idea.
>>> The Haskell98 standard was set so there would be a baseline that
>>> people could rely on.
>>>
>>> When I implemented Haskell (both times) there were odds and ends that
>>> I really hated (some of those feelings have changed), but I did it
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>>  -- Lennart
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Bulat Ziganshin
>>> <bulat.ziganshin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Jon,
>>>>
>>>> Monday, April 20, 2009, 1:59:07 PM, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's not an implementor's place to make such decisions --
>>>>> they can legitimately say "this feature sucks" and tell the
>>>>> next Haskell committee so. If they care enough about it,
>>>>> they can lobby or get on that next committee, but the
>>>>> arguments for n+k patterns /in Haskell98/ were done long
>>>>> ago.
>>>> if you really believe in that you said, you can spend your own time
>>>> adding its support :)  i never seen n+k patterns in real code so i
>>>> understand developers that don't want to waste time just to compliant
>>>> standard even if their efforts will be never really used
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>  Bulat                            mailto:Bulat.Ziganshin at gmail.com
>>>>
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