[Haskell-cafe] Climbing up the shootout...

John Van Enk vanenkj at gmail.com
Tue Sep 23 08:27:05 EDT 2008

> amount of work required to do this is much much more than amount of work
required to write optimal C/asm code

I'm sorry, but no it's not. I've been using Haskell for a little under two
years now, and I'm already able to produce programs with significantly less
pain which outperform the C equivalents. Sure, if I pour a lot more time and
head scratching into my C, then I can probably beat my Haskell, but I just
don't have the time (or the need) to introduce pointer tagging, lazy
evaluation, and referential transparency transparency to my C code.

Any way, this thread has lost any usefulness.

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:32 AM, Bulat Ziganshin
<bulat.ziganshin at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello Sterling,
> Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 5:13:57 AM, you wrote:
> > Oh, and it "simply and naively" loops with the following:
> >  while (fgets_unlocked (line, MAXLINELEN, stdin))
> > If Bulat's point is that the shootout has inspired work on Haskell
> > performance, and in the stdlibs no less, then lovely, and that's all
> > to the good. Below every high level interface is lots of low level pain.
> functions used to make C code faster is obviously worse than those
> used for Haskell code. just look - Clean gets 2x better performance
> than C
> > If his point is anything else, this is getting absurd.
> my point is very simple - these tests says nothing about real
> performance since these tests was hardly optimized including adding
> special functions to ghc libs. amount of work required to do this is
> much much more than amount of work required to write optimal C/asm
> code
> and this work obviously doesn't speed up every Haskell program. so
> that we have in Haskell world now is heroic efforts to speed up
> shootout test which doesn't say anything about real Haskell
> performance. what we have on prcatice is 10-20% speedup of ghc 6.8 and
> several libs which may improve speed in some usages
> --
> Best regards,
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