[ghc-steering-committee] GHC steering committee status

[Simon Peyton Jones]

>
> I suspect we might want to consider a hybrid -- if so, do we need to find
> an assistant to Joachim to maintain the spreadsheet? (Let's not add to
> Joachim's workload but share it.)
>

Aha -- I should have been clearer.  I never intended to suggest that
Joachim alone would maintain the spreadsheet.  We all will!  It took me
about 20 mins to put together the entire status quo before sending my
email.  I think it would take an extra thirty seconds or so for us to each
update it with our votes, and view others.

For me it'll reduce my workload, because I won't have to scroll through
dozens of messages to reconstruct the current state of play.

I'm going to give it a try anyway.  Even if no one else joins it, it'll be
helpful to me.  But I hope you will.

Simon

On Mon, 11 Sept 2023 at 04:48, Chris Dornan <chris at chrisdornan.com> wrote:

> While I think the spreadsheet is really nice, I have to say I am
> personally comfortable with Joachim's periodic summaries and his ability to
> read the room as to whether a proposal has the support of the committee.
>
> If folks don't have time to respond for feedback then that is just the way
> it is and enough of the remainder of the committee have weighed in then I
> think we just move on. If Joachim is aware of missing coverage in any
> response then he waits until we have satisfactory coverage.
>
> I am not saying we could not do better, but, for my needs, Joachim is
> managing everything pretty optimally.
>
> Of course we all have way of working so it would be really good if folks
> could indicate whether they want (1) the old way (2) the way of the
> spreadsheet or (3) some hybrid.
>
> I suspect we might want to consider a hybrid -- if so, do we need to find
> an assistant to Joachim to maintain the spreadsheet? (Let's not add to
> Joachim's workload but share it.)
>
> Chris
>
>
> On 10 Sep 2023, at 03:06, Simon Peyton Jones <simon.peytonjones at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear GHC steering committee
>
> Re GHC proposals I was talking to Simon M about
>
>    - Making the shepherd's job easier and quicker
>    - Providing a way for members of the committee to say (explicitly) "I
>    don't have an opinion about this proposal" and thus recuse themselves.
>    Explicit recusal is better than "silence means assent" because silence can,
>    and often does, mean "I'm under water and not listening".
>
> With that in mind, I want to revive my suggestion of running an online
> spreadsheet
> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e6GdwHmAjeDEUhTvP-b18MDkpTfH3SMHhFu5F3nDIWc/edit?usp=sharing>to
> describe the state of proposals that are in our active purview.  That is,
> I'm not proposing to show proposals that are under discussion by the
> community, or accepted etc -- just the ones that are in our inbox, *where
> the next action is ours.*
>
> That makes it much easier to see our current inbox, without looking back
> for Jocahim's last email and then adding deltas for all the emails since --
> which I cannot do in my head.
>
> Specifically, I have *a column for each committee member's vote. * That
> should make it easy for the shepherd to see who is yet to express an
> opinion, which I always find difficult.
>
> As I say above, I am very uncomfortable with "silence means assent" for
> any but the smallest proposals.  *I suggest instead that if there is a
> proposal where you feel unable to offer an opinion, due to lack of
> expertise, or lack of time, you can say "recuse" meaning that you
> explicitly want to stand down from this particular proposal.*   (Somehow
> "abstain" carries a connotation of conflict of interest or something, but
> it amounts to the same thing.)  If you are too  under water to even recuse
> yourself, maybe it's time to step down.
>
> So in columns F to O we should see explicit responses from every committee
> member, in a timely way.
>
> Joachim doesn't like spreadsheets like this because they can easily get
> out of date.  But it must be better than manually trawling email. *And it
> is up to each of us (not Joachim) to fill in our own column for proposals
> in our inbox.*
>
> If we don't like it, we can change it.  You all have edit rights.
>
> I have populated it with data from Joachim's message of 2 Sept, but there
> has been some action since then, so shepherds please update it.  This is
> not Joachim's task!
>
> Thanks
>
> Simon
>
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