Continuous Integration and Cross Compilation

[Carter Schonwald]

I thought Alain already replied? He and Pali are running some ghc-builder
boxes, and i'm helping with code review for patches into ghc-builder


On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Simon Peyton Jones <simonpj at microsoft.com>
wrote:

>
> | This response has gotten pretty long! Apologies if I missed something,
> | or otherwise misunderstood. Anyway, if there's a path here that seems
> | sensible, I'll have a go at it.
>
> William, I am not qualified to comment on the details, but thank you for
> offering to help.  I do urge you to pick some initial tasks that *don't*
> involve solving the full cross-compilation problem, desirable as it is.  I
> fear that it is a swamp from which you will not emerge soon, and it'd be
> better to have some successes  to encourage you, and some experience to
> build on, before diving into it.
>
> Everyone: no responses yet to my email below.  Suppose Austin plays
> secretary: would people like to volunteer to be part of the GHC
> Nightly-Build/Continuous-Integration Task Force?
>
> Simon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simon Peyton Jones
> Sent: 18 June 2014 23:48
> To: Simon Peyton Jones; Páli Gábor János; Alain O'Dea
> Cc: ghc-devs at haskell.org; William Knop; Karel Gardas
> Subject: RE: Offering GHC builder build slaves
>
> Back in April I said:
>
> | Seriously, I advertised a couple of weeks ago for help with our
> | nightly- build infrastructure.  Quite a few people responded -- thank
> | you very much.
> |
> | So we have willing horsepower.  But the moment we lack leadership.
> | Alain rightly says "I don't know what the process is" because we don't
> | *have* a process.  We need a mechanism for creating a process, taking
> | decisions, etc.
> |
> | I think what is needed is:
> |
> | * A group of people willing to act as a kind of committee.  That
> |   could be everyone who replied.  You could create a mailing list,
> |   or (initially better) just chat on ghc-devs.  But it would be
> |   useful to have a list of who is involved.
> |
> | * Someone (or a couple of people) to play the role of chair.
> |   That doesn't mean an autocrat... it means someone who gently pushes
> |   discussions to a conclusion, and says "I propose that we do X".
> |
> | * Then the group can formulate a plan and proceed with it.
> |   For example, should Pali's efforts be "blessed"?  I don't
> |   know enough to know, but you guys do.
> |
> | In my experience, people are often unwilling to put themselves forward
> | as chair, not because they are unwilling, but because they feel it'd
> | be "pushy".  So I suggest this: if you think (based on the traffic
> | you've
> | seen) that X would be a chair you'd trust, suggest them.
> |
> | In short: power to the people!  GHC is your compiler.
>
> Since then various people have done various things, but so far as I know
> we don't have any of the three "*" items above.  The people who seem in
> principle willing to help include  Joachim Breitner <
> mail at joachim-breitner.de>  Herbert Valerio Riedel <hvriedel at gmail.com>
>  Páli Gábor János <pali.gabor at gmail.com>  Karel Gardas <
> karel.gardas at centrum.cz>  Alain O'Dea <alain.odea at gmail.com>  William
> Knop <william.knop.nospam at gmail.com>  Austin Seipp <austin at well-typed.com>
>
> There may well be others!  I sense that the problem is not willingness but
> simply that no one feels accredited to take the lead.  Please, I would love
> someone to do so!
>
> I was reminded of this by William Knop's recent message below, in which he
> implicitly offers to help (thanks William).  But his offer will fall on
> deaf ears unless that little group exists to welcome him in.
>
> In hope, and with thanks,
>
> Simon
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