Haskell Support on Windows (Simon Peyton Jones)

Tamar Christina lonetiger at gmail.com
Fri Apr 4 09:52:29 UTC 2014

  I've been meaning to start contributing to ghc for windows for years but
never got around to it since I don't know what I could contribute with.

I've compiled various 6.x and early 7.x versions before and mostly did
small modifications for my own testing.

I've been away from Haskell for a few months, but I've been meaning to come
back and I'm willing to contribute with what I can :)
From: Carter Schonwald <carter.schonwald at gmail.com>
Sent: 01/04/2014 15:26
To: Simon Peyton Jones <simonpj at microsoft.com>
Cc: ghc-devs at haskell.org; Kyle Van Berendonck <kvanberendonck at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Haskell Support on Windows (Simon Peyton Jones)

Kyle, we need you to help us with windows support! :-)

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014, Simon Peyton Jones <simonpj at microsoft.com> wrote:

>  A couple of poor assumptions are made here.
> I'm not sure where "here" is.   In my email I specifically said exactly
> what you are saying (only I was not as eloquent as you).
> What we need is some developers who are willing to give some love and
> support to the Windows version of GHC.  And *they* really are thin on the
> ground, unfortunately.
> Simon
> *From:* ghc-devs [mailto:ghc-devs-bounces at haskell.org<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ghc-devs-bounces at haskell.org');>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kyle Van Berendonck
> *Sent:* 01 April 2014 13:54
> *To:* ghc-devs at haskell.org<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ghc-devs at haskell.org');>
> *Subject:* Re: Haskell Support on Windows (Simon Peyton Jones)
> A couple of poor assumptions are made here.
> The first is that the userbase of GHC on Windows is poor. This is false.
> In fact, the poor state of Windows is mentioned on #haskell more frequently
> as of late. In the last week I've talked almost every day to (different)
> people who have had Windows woes with using GHC. The hacker-base isn't here
> at the moment - I agree, but the user-base most certainly is. Could this be
> a problem with the demographic, or could it just be that Windows
> development isn't inviting? The build system and default test failures
> in-particular are a source of discouragement.
> The second assumption is that GHC/Haskell will be worth a dime in the
> RealWorld without Windows as a primary tier platform. I'm going to put a
> crude guess that given the overwhelming magnitude of C#/F# coming up on my
> local careers portal that there's far more industry on Windows than on OSX
> or Linux. Those are all the businesses where the probability that they will
> ever touch Haskell goes from `probably not right now` to `impossible`. Let
> me also remind you that Windows still holds 89.2% of operating system
> market share ie the people that hackers and developers actually have to
> deploy their applications to.
> Sorry to sound fumey, but there's all this suggesting that everyone would
> have a better day if we dropped Windows (let's be honest, if it wasn't a
> primary tier platform nobody would have fixed it for 7.8), but I doubt few
> of the people who think it's a "great idea" or sslt have actually thought
> through whether it's the best thing for Haskell or just the best thing to
> get 7.8 into their hands a couple weeks sooner.
> Regards.
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