Haskell Support on Windows (Simon Peyton Jones)

Thu Apr 3 18:32:22 UTC 2014

I could try with building GHC on Windows as a cross-compiler for ARM if
there is someone to help with building GHC.

2014-04-01 16:45 GMT+03:00 Carter Schonwald <carter.schonwald at gmail.com>:

> Hey roman!
> If you get stuck getting ghc to build on windows, please ask for help on
> the ghc mailing lists and/or on the #ghc channel on freenode.
> Just having more folks that regularly try to build and use ghc on windows
> would be huge.
> There's also countless ways to contrib To ghc too.
>
> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014, Roman Kuznetsov <kuznero at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> -- sorry for incomplete email - typing from mobile is not easy :)
>>
>> I would like to participate in GHC on Windows. But I am a normal windows
>> developer and don't know much of that rather weird (to me) tool chain used
>> in this case. I frankly tried a few times before - every time with the same
>> result - I never get to the point, but trying to understand just how to
>> build it. I know there is a wiki, etc.
>>
>> But my question (and the reason I write here): is it possible to have
>> some kind of mini-course, a crush-course on developing GHC on Windows (as
>> well as on other platforms) - video course ... this is what comes to mind
>> after all these Coursera, Pluralsight, etc.
>>
>> You could say - there is a wiki. But that's not enough. Maybe it's just
>> me... I will take another analogy. Even though I'm coding for Windows
>> primarily, I am a linux user. So, I switched from Ubuntu to Arch Linux
>> recently which was possible due to the quality of their wiki documentation
>> (Arch is known to not be as user friendly as *buntu like systems).
>>
>> Sorry for not referring to any concrete problems, I just tried stating
>> what I think didn't let me start working with that.
>>
>> /Roman
>>
>> On 01 апр. 2014 г., at 15:26, "Carter Schonwald" <
>> carter.schonwald at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Kyle, we need you to help us with windows support! :-)
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014, Simon Peyton Jones <simonpj at microsoft.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  A couple of poor assumptions are made here.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m not sure where “here” is.   In my email I specifically said exactly
>> what you are saying (only I was not as eloquent as you).
>>
>>
>>
>> What we need is some developers who are willing to give some love and
>> support to the Windows version of GHC.  And *they* really are thin on
>> the ground, unfortunately.
>>
>>
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ghc-devs [mailto:ghc-devs-bounces at haskell.org] *On Behalf Of *Kyle
>> Van Berendonck
>> *Sent:* 01 April 2014 13:54
>> *To:* ghc-devs at haskell.org
>> *Subject:* Re: Haskell Support on Windows (Simon Peyton Jones)
>>
>>
>>
>> A couple of poor assumptions are made here.
>>
>> The first is that the userbase of GHC on Windows is poor. This is false.
>> In fact, the poor state of Windows is mentioned on #haskell more frequently
>> as of late. In the last week I've talked almost every day to (different)
>> people who have had Windows woes with using GHC. The hacker-base isn't here
>> at the moment - I agree, but the user-base most certainly is. Could this be
>> a problem with the demographic, or could it just be that Windows
>> development isn't inviting? The build system and default test failures
>> in-particular are a source of discouragement.
>>
>> The second assumption is that GHC/Haskell will be worth a dime in the
>> RealWorld without Windows as a primary tier platform. I'm going to put a
>> crude guess that given the overwhelming magnitude of C#/F# coming up on my
>> local careers portal that there's far more industry on Windows than on OSX
>> or Linux. Those are all the businesses where the probability that they will
>> ever touch Haskell goes from `probably not right now` to `impossible`. Let
>> me also remind you that Windows still holds 89.2% of operating system
>> market share ie the people that hackers and developers actually have to
>> deploy their applications to.
>>
>> Sorry to sound fumey, but there's all this suggesting that everyone would
>> have a better day if we dropped Windows (let's be honest, if it wasn't a
>> primary tier platform nobody would have fixed it for 7.8), but I doubt few
>> of the people who think it's a "great idea" or sslt have actually thought
>> through whether it's the best thing for Haskell or just the best thing to
>> get 7.8 into their hands a couple weeks sooner.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
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