[Haskellbeginners] Re: [Haskellcafe] Just how unsafe is unsafe
Jake McArthur
jake at pikewerks.com
Thu Feb 5 17:31:10 EST 2009
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Peter Verswyvelen wrote:
 I do have asked myself the question whether a "really random generating"
 function could be regarded as "pure" somehow (actually would a true
 random function still be a mathematical function?)

 E.g. the function would return a true (not pseudo) random number,
 practically unpredictable (e.g. hardware assisted, using some physical
 phenomenon, e.g. using atmospheric noise or something). So you surely
 won't get referential transparency but since the function is really
 random, this would be correct behavior?
An informal definition of a function might be something like a black box
that takes and input and produces an output, and for each possible
input, the output must be the same. Taking this to be a function, there
is really no such thing as a random function, and if there was, it
wouldn't even need to be a function. (What would the input to it be?)
If you wanted to mathematically represent a random number, it would, in
most cases I can think of, best be represented as a free variable. In a
program, such a free variable could be filled in by the runtime.
Conveniently, (and by no coincidence) this is something the IO monad can
provide for us! :)
 Of course you could just put this random generator in the IO monad, but
 certain algorithms like Monte Carlo  intuitively don't seem to operate
 in a IO monad to me.
Why not?
A Random monad might be more appropriate in this case anyway. Such a
monad is a State monad that hold a random seed. Every time a random
number is needed, the seed is passed to a deterministic psuedorandom
number generator, and a new seed is put as the next state.
If a truly random number is ever needed, either IO or unsafeInterleaveIO
will be needed. The use of unsafeInterleaveIO would be a (rightly)
controversial choice though.
  Jake
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