[xmonad] WaylandMonad

Fri Apr 17 23:57:32 UTC 2015

This also interests me, but I'm more of a drive-by contributor than an
actual XMonad developer, so I don't know that I'd be a good fit to help get
the project approved.

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 7:56 PM, joe skinner <crypt17 at gmail.com> wrote:

> This something that interests me but sadly not something I could help with
>
>
> On Saturday, April 18, 2015, Carsten Mattner <carstenmattner at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a good project to me and I'd like to see the results.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Auke Booij <auke at tulcod.com> wrote:
>> > Would this currently be considered an unrealistic project, or a
>> > project not worth investing time in?
>> >
>> > I should probably add that the wayland API is considered stable. It is
>> > certainly stable enough for GNOME, KDE, enlightenment, and numerous
>> > other window managers to be in active development (and very far, at
>> > that). The key "xdg-shell" protocol is still under development, but
>> > for the (technically rather limited) use case of WaylandMonad, no
>> > substantial changes are being introduced.
>> >
>> > On 14 April 2015 at 14:41, Auke Booij <auke at tulcod.com> wrote:
>> >> A few weeks ago, I sent in a Google Summer of Code application for the
>> >> haskell.org organization to work on porting Xmonad to wayland. The
>> >> haskell organization has asked me to find a mentor for my application,
>> >> which is the main reason for this email.
>> >>
>> >> If you are
>> >> 1. an adult (sorry kids, Google's rules)
>> >> 2. experienced with the Xmonad source
>> >> 3. interested in wayland
>> >> 4. willing to spend some time this summer on mentoring me
>> >> then please contact me or someone in the haskell community to discuss
>> >> mentoring options. The deadline for proposal matching is the 24th of
>> >> April, so please contact me within this week (or better yet, as soon
>> >> as possible).
>> >>
>> >> Without a mentor, I cannot get accepted for GSoC. I am already up to
>> >> speed on wayland, so I think any Xmonad developer with some free time
>> >> would make a great mentor.
>> >>
>> >> I attached my GSoC application below.
>> >>
>> >> Any comment on making Xmonad work on wayland is welcome as well. My
>> >> current plan is to fork Xmonad and replace all the X bits by wayland
>> >> bits - see also my proposal below.
>> >>
>> >> Greetings,
>> >> Auke.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Abstract
>> >> ===
>> >> XMonad has, for a long time, been a flagship product of the Haskell
>> >> community. With the arrival of wayland, XMonad is bound to look stuck
>> >> in the past, and it's time for a port. Thanks to my previous work on
>> >> wayland-related haskell libraries, this is now a viable project.
>> >>
>> >> Proposal
>> >> ===
>> >>
>> >> Background
>> >> ---
>> >> X11 has long been the de facto standard way for applications to
>> >> display graphical user interfaces on the screen. For various reasons,
>> >> a new project called wayland has been started, that can be seen as a
>> >> successor of the X ecosystem, or at least can be seen as something
>> >> that will play a very important role. Among others, GNOME is already
>> >> working on wayland support, and plans to make it fully supported by
>> >> version 3.18. This shows the relevance of wayland.
>> >>
>> >> XMonad is a flagship product of the Haskell community that is often
>> >> cited as an example of the applicability of Haskell: its real world
>> >> value. XMonad is a compositor (aka window manager) for the X11
>> >> ecosystem.
>> >>
>> >> In the new wayland ecosystem, one cannot reuse X11 compositors: they
>> >> need to be partially rewritten.
>> >>
>> >> Goal
>> >> ---
>> >> I intend to fork XMonad and make it into a wayland compositor. Since
>> >> the general ideas behind the X11 and the wayland protocol are not too
>> >> different, this should be doable: we are still working with pointers
>> >> and windows and input and output and renderings and messages. However,
>> >> the wayland setup is technically very different from X11, since the
>> >> central X11 server has been replaced by the compositor itself, and
>> >> this means some very foundational code will need to be rewritten.
>> >>
>> >> I am the author of hayland [1], the haskell bindings to the wayland C
>> >> library, as well as haskell-xkbcommon [2], the haskell bindings to the
>> >> xkbcommon C library. With these two projects in place, the time is
>> >> ripe for a wayland compositor written in haskell: the preliminaries
>> >> are mostly there.
>> >>
>> >> As part of this project, I will have to invest some time in these two
>> >> bindings projects as well (since they are quite new and have had
>> >> little testing). For this reason, I intend to keep the scope of this
>> >> project limited, and focus on getting some version of XMonad running
>> >> on Wayland.
>> >>
>> >> I do not intend to change the architecture of XMonad, except wherever
>> >> this would not require much more investment of time, and only as
>> >> wished by the community. In other words: if you have anything that I
>> >> should change about XMonad, and it is easy to switch to this new
>> >> thing, then I'll use it. Any serious architectural changes will need
>> >> to take place in a later stage.
>> >>
>> >> Deliverables
>> >> ---
>> >> - A working wayland compositor written in wayland, based on XMonad
>> >> - Documentation of the source code (i.e. a technical document), user
>> >> documentation (where this differs from XMonad)
>> >> - Roadmap for further work: how should this project be continued into
>> >> a next iteration of the XMonad project?
>> >>
>> >> Roadmap
>> >> ---
>> >> April/May: properly work my way through the XMonad source, and
>> >> document things that will need changing
>> >>
>> >> June: Hack until it's working
>> >>
>> >> June+July: More hacking, also documentation
>> >>
>> >> August: Prepare a proper release, clean up code
>> >>
>> >> Bio
>> >> ---
>> >> I am currently studying for a Master of Logic in Amsterdam, and have a
>> >> Master of Advanced Studies in Mathematics from Cambridge, UK, a BSc in
>> >> Applied Mathematics and a BSc in Electrical Engineering (both from TU
>> >> Delft).
>> >>
>> >> I have previously successfully finished GSoC (2010, with Gentoo) and
>> >> SOCIS (in 2013, with PyBRML) (SOCIS is a GSoC-like program managed by
>> >> the European Space Agency).
>> >>
>> >> I am the author of hayland [1], the haskell bindings to the wayland C
>> >> library, as well as haskell-xkbcommon [2], the haskell bindings to the
>> >> xkbcommon C library.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The name of this fork is up for discussion.
>> >>
>> >> [1] https://github.com/tulcod/haskell-wayland
>> >>
>> >> [2] https://github.com/tulcod/haskell-xkbcommon
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