[xmonad] ambiguous-atom_WM_TAKE_FOCUS

Gwern Branwen gwern0 at gmail.com
Sat Nov 17 03:32:10 CET 2012

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 11:19 AM,  <wagnerdm at seas.upenn.edu> wrote:
> While it's true that xmonad-core has not had a lot of activity recently,
> that's not equally true of xmonad-contrib (which is the repository in
> question).

The original email said "repositories", so -core activity is relevant.

But I disagree that XMC is active: even allowing for the recent flurry
of dealing with backlogs and new patches (prompted by advocacy of
moving to Git and Github entirely, which would make this discussion
rather moot), we are still in a historically unprecedented stable
period for XMC, a period with fewer patches committed than at any time
since XMC was created in 2007:


If we restrict our attention to since 1 June 2012 (almost half a year ago):


You can literally count how many patches there have been (I count a
grand total of 12) in those 169 days, which is 1 patch every 2 weeks
(and a bit).

> Additionally, your claim about what other people can do after
> upgrading the central repository doesn't mesh with my reading of the darcs
> documentation. Here's the scenario as I see it:
> 1. Person A upgrades repository A into A-2
> 2. Person B upgrades repository B into B-local-2
> 2. Person B clones repository A-2 into B-2
> It's not clear that this results in a state where person B can transfer
> patches from repository B-local-2 into B-2. In particular, "darcs help
> convert" says,
> "Furthermore, darcs 2 repositories created by different invocations of this
> command SHOULD NOT exchange patches, unless those repositories had no
> patches in common when they were converted."

I'm not clear on it either, but if their patches are that old, they
can re-record - and probably should, since there must have been a
reason they didn't send it in all those months/years ago, and this
would encourage things like checking that it compiles when applied to
a clean repo etc.

> I'm talking about repository metadata here, not patch metadata. Repository
> metadata is not always copied during a convert or a clone. I fully believe
> that darcs-2 is capable of storing all the same data; just not that I,
> personally, know how to copy it from the old repository to the new one.

What repo metadata do you have in mind?

> And please, the adversarial tone of this note really seems unwarranted. The
> darcs wiki itself recommends _not_ upgrading hashed darcs-1 repositories to
> darcs-2 repositories.

http://darcs.net/DarcsTwo doesn't so much recommend not upgrading as
it recommends upgrading only if conflicts are a problem. Since there
is advocacy for upgrading...

>> For long-lived private branches, better handling of conflicts is
>> important... So which is it, #1 or #4? Are there long-lived private
>> patches per #1 in which case #4 is wrong, or are there not, in which
>> case #4 is right but #1 wrong?
> Is it really so clear that there will be lots of conflicts from long-lived
> private patches...? I don't believe these things are really so mutually
> exclusive as you say.

The longer they last, the more they will conflict as they become ever
more distant from the HEAD - and this is especially true since we're
talking about such old hypothetical private versions.


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