[web-devel] On moving Yesod-specific discussion to a separate list

anthropornis anthropornis at gmail.com
Fri Jul 1 01:44:59 CEST 2011

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I have multiple Gmail accounts and 
check them all via IMAP in Thunderbird. For me, it would be 
inconsequential to subscribe to another list. I have an account that is 
JUST for lists, which helps me keep stuff better organized. So I would 
just add another Gmail label, then another Gmail filter, and it gets 
turned into a folder in Thunderbird, and really does not inconvenience 
me at all. For me it is a matter of clicking an expander arrow in 

I personally do not dislike the idea of a Yesod-specific list, it seems 
logical. Certainly any time you might a have Yesod user wanting to pick 
the brains of a Snap user, it wouldn't be a big deal to post to a 
generic list (web-devel?) or a Snap-specific list with the above setup.

I don't think generating traffic for a generic list should really be a 
criterion, because it is easy to check multiple lists using IMAP on a 
local client. Would that harm the web-devel list? I don't know, but it's 
really not a logical criterion in my opinion. Maybe it might inspire 
people to send more non-Yesod content to the generic if they feel it has 
assumed a generic role and its traffic was declining. Regardless, I 
don't think separating things out is really being prejudiced against 
something or not, it's just a matter of clicking one folder versus 
another in your local email client.

Here is a scenario: Maybe I like Yesod and Happstack and Snap, but this 
week I am overwhelmed in general and don't feel like perusing Happstack 
emails. Different lists is just another layer of an organizational tool 
for me, nothing more. The other emails will still be there for me to 
check next week when things lighten up.

For that matter you could have Persistent and WAI lists too. Again, it's 
just a matter of opening another folder in certain email setups. (I'm 
not advocating for or against either of those examples.) There's no 
technical reason for it to create social or political or any other 

Just my two cents, for whatever it is worth.

On 06/27/2011 04:53 AM, Christopher Done wrote:
> On 27 June 2011 10:10, Nicolas Wu<nicolas.wu at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On 27 June 2011 08:38, Jasper Van der Jeugt<m at jaspervdj.be>  wrote:
>>> I think it would benefit the two types of readers if we could move
>>> Yesod-specific discussion to a separate mailing list.
>> I second this proposal and sentiment. I have nothing against Yesod,
>> but I feel like I'm getting overwhelmed by emails that are too Yesod
>> specific on this list.
> I also have this problem. I posted a while ago that all I ever receive
> is yesod posts:
> http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/web-devel/2010/000647.html
> I actually didn't unsubscribe, I just set a GMail filter. Recently I
> unset that to open some discussions. I noticed that I was actually
> missing out on general web-dev developments.
> But if I search "web-devel" in GMail, 14 out of the 20 results are
> yesod-specific. I created a test filter to remove "web-devel + yesod",
> but then I miss out on general posts where people merely mention
> yesod. 577 of 1224 *subjects* in the archive contain yesod.
>> * I would actually prefer pulling in the Snap and Happstack mailing
>> lists to web-devel: I think there is a lot of room for better
>> discussions if we're all talking together by default. I'm already
>> subscribed to both mailing lists, and I don't think it will be a
>> problem to include that traffic here.
> I'm pretty sure that would make the problem worse. Then we would have
> yesod, happstack and snap "how do I do X?" questions to filter out.
> But anyway it seems more attractive these days for me to properly
> unsubscribe and get interesting web developments via Planet Haskell
> and Reddit or something. If you chaps want to get my attention
> specifically please drop me a mail or something.
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