[web-devel] A separation of concerns

Michael Snoyman michael at snoyman.com
Mon Mar 15 13:05:49 EDT 2010

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Johan Tibell <johan.tibell at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Chris Eidhof <chris at eidhof.nl> wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I don't believe that there could be one big framework for everybody. Some
> people want good HTML abstractions, others only think of the server as data
> storage. Some people want RESTful URLs, other people don't care about
> RESTfulness but would benefit heavily from controller abstractions. For
> certain applications SQL might be perfect and for others the Happstack-State
> works great.
> >
> > My point is: we should not try to build one big framework. Instead, I
> propose that we build a set of smaller libraries that each do one thing very
> well. Some of these libraries might be designed to work together.
> While I think there is space for frameworks as a way to help
> developers structure web applications I agree with the call for
> smaller libraries. In fact, one of the best things that happened to
> Haskell web development the last few months is in my opinion the
> 'text' library. Even though it has nothing to do with web development
> per se it solves an important problem for web development, namely
> having a space efficient, fast and correct data type for Unicode text.
> The reason I pick the 'text' library as an example is that I think it
> exemplifies the kind of libraries we need more of: well-test,
> high-performance, and well-documented libraries.
> There are lots of small libraries that are still missing. For example
> an equivalent of Python's urllib, a really fast and *simple* HTTP
> server, a high-performance and *full features* database library for
> working with e.g. MySQL, etc.
> Is there a reason you count out Hyena as a good HTTP server? After all, you
are the expert on it ;).

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