Why base library changes are only discussed on GHC issue tracker and not on the libraries@ list?

Oleg Grenrus oleg.grenrus at iki.fi
Wed Jul 7 17:41:14 UTC 2021

As I understood from the https://wiki.haskell.org/Library_submissions
page (to which GHC wiki links from
this job of elevating issue to the CLC is the job of a library
maintainer. So I repeat my question: who are the current maintainer(s)
of base library to make these calls.

I'd like to know whom comments I can and cannot ignore when proposing
changes, as everyone has an opinion on how base should be (myself

- Oleg

On 7.7.2021 20.35, Carter Schonwald wrote:
> Respectfully: some of us like mailing lists for complicated
> discussions :) 
> The issue here is deviation from processs that support a wider range
> of participants with different accessibility needs and varying levels
> of volunteer time. 
> More over, a mailing list is easier for curious parties to subscribe
> to and filter to a dedicated inbox.  Have you ever tried doing robust
> mailbox filters for GitHub or gitlab? It’s pretty tricky without
> creating a firehose of all repo events unless you’re in a group that’s
> always tagged. 
> Any ticket tagged core libraries on gitlab needs to have a
> corresponding email to this list for folks who aren’t administratively
> in that notification group. Or needs to link to a thread here
> motivating it. 
> I’m on that notification list for gitlab because current clc folks
> wanted me to continue helping out, but that’s not a scalable open
> participation model. 
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 12:41 PM Sandy Maguire <sandy at sandymaguire.me
> <mailto:sandy at sandymaguire.me>> wrote:
>     At risk of being the messenger who gets shot....
>     As an outsider, it seems very reasonable to me to file a bug
>     against the issue tracker for a project whose code I think should
>     be changed. For better or worse, this is the way that 99% of
>     software projects work. Expecting everyone in the community to
>     know that they _shouldn't_ be filing bugs against the issue
>     tracker is a losing battle. I'm more hooked in than most, and even
>     I didn't know this.
>     I can empathize with things not being done the way you'd like to
>     be, but the claim that things happening on the GHC tracker are
>     done "in private" is silly. The gitlab tracker is 10x more
>     accessible, and the lack of community engagement on the mailing
>     lists speaks volumes.
>     And besides, nobody wants to be on a mailing list anyway. It's a
>     terrible experience with weird branching and no persistence, and
>     while there are archives, it's an extremely unpleasant thing to
>     try to spelunk through.
>     Best,
>     Sandy
>     On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 8:52 AM Henning Thielemann
>     <lemming at henning-thielemann.de
>     <mailto:lemming at henning-thielemann.de>> wrote:
>         On Wed, 7 Jul 2021, Oleg Grenrus wrote:
>         > For example
>         >
>         > - https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/20044
>         <https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/20044> ByteArray
>         migration
>         > from primitive to base
>         > - https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/20027
>         <https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/20027> Changing
>         Show String
>         > behavior
>         >
>         > Why they are discussed "in private", I thought libraries@
>         list is where
>         > such changes should be discussed.
>         I think so, too, and I missed them as well.
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