Proposal: Expanding the CLC

Carter Schonwald carter.schonwald at
Fri Feb 12 00:13:14 UTC 2021

These are good points

I think this is actually 3-5  points:

CLC  related
1) clc authority is strictly about leadership for helping make design
decisions for base the package

2) clc is meant to be a fallback to ensure that there’s backup continuity
for maintainership of ghc boot libraries and a design aid for Haskell
library authors who are the current maintainers.

But as long as the current maintainership is reachable for communication,
the maintainer has final authority.
— the clc violated this in spring 2020, while there were car burnings in
the neighborhood of the maintainer in question . Bad taste.

3) peripherically clc via base maintainership is the design authority for
the library section of the Haskell standard.

—- point being: if you’re not contributing to design decisions for base.
 you shouldn’t be on the clc.  If you are, then you should perhaps be on
clc.  The current makeup of the clc does not reflect that.

— further more , growing clc should be a reflection of contributors being
recognized for their design/hackery contribs

HAT related
4) the idea/goal of hat: empowering and supporting active contributors
while not saddling them with official commitments. Rather, HAT is about
somone (myself initially), acting as a shield to support current active
contributors to enable them to act with greater confidence. I like to think
 I helped enable that with some of the folks emily mentioned, especially
Simon jakobi, viktor and Andrew L.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 6:54 PM Emily Pillmore <emilypi at> wrote:

> Hi All,
> Over the past year, two things have become increasingly clear to me as
> I've carried out my CLC duties:
> 1. The CLC is under-resourced. This is evidenced by the fact that several
> maintainers who are not CLC members have been forced to step up to help
> take on some of the maintenance burden for many of the CLC libraries.
> Namely, `vector`, `bytestring`, `random`, `unix`, and more. The current CLC
> head count is not enough to dedicate at least one maintainer per package,
> which is leading to us all being spread thin, and the less-loved packages
> are falling into disrepair as a result. Couple this with the fact that
> roughly half the CLC do not have these packages actively within their
> maintenance cycles, and we arrive at the current problem.
> 2. The current set of "core" libraries does not cover what is generally
> considered "core" in the community. From now on, I'll refer to "core"
> packages as "boot" packages, and identify core packages to be those that
> are have proven to be incredibly popular tools for building things in
> Haskell. For example `zlib`, `parsec`, `regex-base`, `regex-posix`,
> `network`, etc. In particular, if any of these core packages saw their
> current authors disappear, or incapacitated in any sense, it would
> seriously harm the Haskell ecosystem. `cabal-install`, for example,
> requires several of those packages as upstream dependencies. Currently, we
> are dealing with this nightmare situation where work is stalled across many
> packages due to a particular set of maintainers being very difficult to
> reach, one of whom having disappeared completely for all maintenance
> intents and purposes.
> Ergo, we have a problem. Thankfully, many people have stepped up showing
> renewed interest in maintaining such packages with the latest crop of CLC
> folks, and this poses an interesting opportunity.
> My proposal is this:
> 1. We expand the CLC from 9 members to 22 members such that we have at
> least 1 CLC maintainer per boot package. There are a large number of
> fantastic candidates already available, who would be perfect for the role.
> In fact, many of the candidates whom we would ask are already maintaining
> these packages. In particular, Andrew Lelechenko, Simon Jakobi, Viktor
> Dukhovni, Dominic Steinitz, Alexey Khuedyakov are already serving within
> this role (and thank you for it!). Andreas Abel has also offered to help
> take on one of the core packages.
> 2. We consider a dedicated "Haskell Action Team" (name and idea courtesy
> of Carter Schonwald) to oversee packages in the Haskell github repo that
> can act as supplementary maintainers for many of the core packages
> contained therein. Currently, there are many in need of help. `zlib` comes
> to mind, which is currently blocking `bytestring-0.11` migration work due
> to having no available maintainer with the permissions to do a release.
> This, in turn, is stalling `cabal-install`. Short of taking over the
> package, we would have to ask for an emergency Hackage release if the
> neither maintainer shows up to do it in a reasonable time frame.
> This is just one step towards helping ease the burden of maintenance of
> so-called core and boot packages. I hope you agree that this is a good
> idea, and if we get enough thumbs up, then Chessai and I will draw up the
> necessary changes to the CLC remit and we'll get started!
> Cheers,
> Emily
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