[Haskell-cafe] Future of lucid

David Feuer david.feuer at gmail.com
Wed Jun 10 16:30:03 UTC 2020

Your experience is not mine. Yes, I see support requests and general
chatter on GitHub issue trackers I follow, but the volume is miniscule. In
my own projects, I tend to close those down pretty quickly unless I think
there's a special circumstance.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 12:05 PM chris done <haskell-cafe at chrisdone.com>

> Hi Gabriel,
> I enabled the issue tracker earlier today for those reasons.
> Unfortunately, GitHub doesn't distinguish between "mailing list where chat
> can occur" and "tasks the devs plan to put time and energy into", it's all
> dumped into one pot. I consider this a shortcoming of GitHub. It actually
> distorts the meaning of "to maintain" from "keeping the software correct
> and working" to "responding to and acknowledging any and all commentary by
> anyone at any time for any duration, teaching fellow developers about how
> to use Git, GitHub, among other mentorship tasks" the temporary or
> prolonged neglect of which is deemed to be not putting on a good show, or
> in your own words, "not maintaining it". The more I reflect on it, the more
> I see why many project maintainers burn out on GitHub.
> I will continue using lucid and patching it to move with the times as
> GHC's type system moves along and HTML 5 elements/attributes are added, and
> merge pull requests related to these stated goals, for the foreseeable
> future, but I plan to do no more than that. If that's not good enough
> for Dhall, then there are plenty of other options.[1]
> Cheers,
> Chris
> [1]:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/h05uwn/experience_report_choosing_an_html_library/
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Gabriel Gonzalez wrote:
> Would it be possible to leave the issue tracker on but just disable your
> own email notifications for the repository if you do not plan to maintain
> it?  The two main reasons I suggest this are:
> * We would like a way to be able to petition Oleg for changes (or whoever
> is the maintainer at the time)
> * We would like to know if other people share the same problem we do (or
> vice versa, educate other users of problems we are having and potential
> workarounds)
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 6:23 AM, chris done <haskell-cafe at chrisdone.com>
> wrote:
> Hi Simon,
> I am still maintaining and actively using the package. Architecture-wise,
> nothing substantial has changed in the 6 years since its release. Just
> small additions. This package pretty much maintains itself. PRs come and go.
> In fact, any kind of overhauls or user-facing design changes at this stage
> would cause disruption and I would encourage that to be achieved in a
> separate package with a new name. In review, I'm very happy with Lucid's
> design and plan to maintain it long-term into the future for as long as
> HTML is relevant.
> However, I am providing no Q&A or "tech support". Having an issue tracker
> would say otherwise.
> Oleg is also a maintainer.
> Cheers,
> Chris
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020, at 5:27 AM, Simon Jakobi wrote:
> Hi!
> I recently noticed that the issue tracker for the lucid package at
> https://github.com/chrisdone/lucid
> has been disabled. Does this have any implications for the future
> maintenance of the package? Is anyone still committed to maintaining
> the package?
> (I've CC'd Oleg who made the most recent commit to the repo.)
> The context for my question is that we'd like to use lucid for the
> documentation generator that is being developed as a part of
> this year's GSoC.
> Thanks!
> Simon
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