Wither Haskell Platform 2013.4.0.0

Carter Schonwald carter.schonwald at gmail.com
Mon Oct 14 16:13:45 UTC 2013

I guess my point is there's a number of work arounds that are easy for a
power user to support, but should NOT be the default setup or config
required for new users.

Eg: brew also provides an installer for apple-gcc42 and you could then
point your ghc settings file to.

That said, it's not a solution we probably want to encourage by default, it
definitely took me a while to cook up sane directions, and some of those
directions/approaches apparently become useless if you update to OS X 10.9.
(I think partly because the default C++ std libs on Mac shift, so you can't
easily build GCC on mavericks currently allegedly )

On Monday, October 14, 2013, Edward Kmett wrote:

> As I do most of my development on a Mac I confess I currently live in fear
> of accidentally clicking on the XCode 5 upgrade button and winding up in an
> unsupported configuration. That makes me very leery of option C, where
> developers like me are treading on egg-shells around system updates for the
> next 6 months.
> -Edward
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Mark Lentczner <mark.lentczner at gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'mark.lentczner at gmail.com');>
> > wrote:
>> It wasn't my intention to open up the whole question of scheduled
>> releases. HP has a regular release schedule, and there were many good
>> discussions leading up to it. As for the timing of those releases, last
>> time we looked into this there was no good release time that worked for all
>> the common Linux distro's release schedules. Perhaps GNOME has figured this
>> one out - they release stable end of September and end of March. We could
>> aim to glide toward that.
>> Back to this release:
>> GHC 7.8 won't be ready for inclusion in an HP for quite some time. We
>> haven't even seen the first release yet! If it has stabilized by end of
>> February, then it could make it into the next HP (assuming we don't move
>> the schedule up to match GNOME).  But I think realistically, one shouldn't
>> expect a GHC 7.8 as part of an HP release until 2014.4.0.0. *[Aside: If
>> the community wants to see closer tracking, then we probably need to start
>> talking about a different way of producing GHC - with both stable and
>> experimental releases happening... when this idea has been raised in the
>> past, GHC central hasn't had the person-power to do it.]*
>> *
>> *
>> The next Mac OS X is indeed right around the corner (no official date
>> from Apple, just "this Autumn") - the GM release candidate of both OS X
>> Mavericks and Xcode 5 are already in developers (and my) hands. My
>> understanding is that current HP just won't work on it - which means we
>> really should get something out to support it.
>> SO, back to concrete ideas:
>> *A) Minor release*
>> *• Minor rev:* since GHC and most packages haven't changed, and we won't
>> be adding anything, just roll it as normal now.
>> *• Bump for Mac:* immediately after, roll HP 2013.4.1.0 which has GHC
>> 7.6.3 + patches (perhaps named 7.6.4?), so this works w/Xcode 5
>> *—or—*
>> *B) Delay release*
>> *• New packages:* running the normal process, just a month late
>> *• Bump for Mac: *get GHC central to put out 7.6.4 which has what is
>> needed to support Xcode 5
>> *—or—*
>> *C) Skip a release*
>> *• Go for 7.8:* push everyone (GHC central, library maintainers) to get
>> 7.8 stable ASAP
>> *• Big Push for Packages:* use the time to push for a significant
>> increase in the packages in the Platform
>> *• Release in March: *aiming to sync with GNOME, assuming they're on to
>> something!
>> As attractive as some aspects of C are, it leaves anyone with a Mac out
>> in the cold for six months: They either can't upgrade, or can't Haskell.
>> A requires duplicate effort (mostly on my part), but is otherwise
>> mechanical... and not that exciting.
>> B deviates from our schedule, but if GHC can roll a 7.6.4, might get us
>> an HP with some new packages.
>> — Mark
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