[HOpenGL] Hello HOpenGL

[Balazs Komuves]

Hi,

First of all, let me be clear in that I don't think the maintenance politics

is the most important thing here; however I'm all for more transparency,
and more public feedback before sudden ad-hoc changes (especially
when they go against my subjective tastes).

I think the not very transparent part was declaring yourself the maintainer
without having any public feedback. Also, the summer of code project
application was completely opaque, I've yet to see even the proposal,
and I'm here, on the libraries list, on reddit, I read the cafe archives,
tried to google it, and even asked for it explicitly on reddit.

Anyway, we should probably focus our energies on more meaningful stuff.


Maybe we can get your frame buffer objects in to the newer bindings?
>

Yes, of course I'm happy to help with it. However the patch was written
back before the OpenGL / OpenGLRaw split, so it's probably needs
some extra work to make it work with the current bindings, and I'm not
familiar with the new code base.

The patches are in this darcs patch file, the ones with "FBO" in the
description:
http://code.haskell.org/~bkomuves/hopengl_2009-03-13.patch


 * Putting the repos on github
>  * Updating the Haskell wiki to point to github
>  * Creating a haskell-opengl organization on github to organize the
> development efforts
>

I'm not familiar with either git or github. Was the switch from darcs was
really justified at this point? I know that many people consider git/github
the best thing since sliced bread, but I fail to get the hype at the moment.

Furthermore, the haskell community server should have infrastructure
like bug-tracker etc already in place (or at least that was the case
before the server migration saga).

Balazs



> >> Sven is no longer the maintainer, so we don't have to think too hard
> about
> >> what he would do. We can make all the necessary decisions ourselves.
> >
> > Well, they way this change happened is arguably not completely
> > transparent...
>
> I did my best to be transparent about it.  I made sure to email this
> list, haskell-cafe, haskell, and the libraries list asking if anyone
> had heard from Sven.  I waited about a month before taking action.  He
> still hasn't reappeared.
>
> I have no desire to take control by force but I do think Sven has
> effectively stopped maintaining these libraries and I don't want to
> see them disappear.  Do you have advice on what I should have done
> differently?
>
> The only actions I've taken at this point are:
>  * Declaring myself maintainer
>  * Putting the repos on github
>  * Updating the Haskell wiki to point to github
>  * Creating a haskell-opengl organization on github to organize the
> development efforts
>
> The Haskell-opengl org is here, if anyone on this list wants to join
> please send me an email:
> https://github.com/haskell-opengl
>
> One of the things I have NOT done yet is to upload new versions of the
> libraries to hackage.  I thought I would wait a bit longer than just a
> month before doing that in case announcing a new maintainer prompted
> Sven to reappear.  It would be good to upload some bug fixes soon-ish
> though.
>
> >
> > Anyway, there are objective reasons to make a different package: Apart
> from
> > those I mentioned
> > in my last email, we actually have hands-on experience what happens when
> a
> > big rewrite
> > happens the way you suggest, namely the parsec package, which still
> causes
> > serious pains
> > years later. We have parsec v2.x, parsec v3.x, parsec1, parsec2 and
> parsec3
> > on Hackage;
> > that's five versions in four packages with different maintainers, all
> > because of one wrong decision.
> > And arguably parsec2 vs. parsec3 is a much smaller change than what you
> > plan.
> >
> > Furthermore, let's suppose the completely realistic situation one would
> like
> > to use both the
> > old and the new versions of the OpenGL package. This is
> next-to-impossible
> > when it is the
> > same package (and painful in any case), since other libraries you want to
> > use but depend
> > on OpenGL have to be recompiled each time. I again have hands-on
> experience
> > with this,
> > as I maintain a private branch the (very) old (before OpenGLRaw) OpenGL
> > binding since I use
> > frame buffer objects and other functionality not in the official package.
> > Arguably, this is an
> > issue of Cabal, but I have no high hopes for Cabal to solve this in the
> near
> > future, and anyway,
> > we should make life more painful just because.
>
> Maybe we can get your frame buffer objects in to the newer bindings?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
>
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