[Haskell] Re: on starting Haskell-Edu,
a new education-related Haskell-related mailing list
DekuDekuplex at Yahoo.com
Fri Jul 11 08:40:31 EDT 2008
Please allow me to thank everybody for their feedback.
So far, including the three private messages I have received, there
have been the following responses on creating a new mailing list for
Haskell-Beginner (or Haskell-Edu for beginners):
Haskell-Edu (for teaching):
No new mailing lists:
So, 8/12 of the responses have been in favor of creating some kind of
new mailing list for education, with 8/10 of those being in favor of
creating a new list for beginners, and 2/10 of those being in favor of
creating a new list for teachers. Other than that, 1/12 of the votes
has been in favor of not creating a new list unless "the perceived
problem is the high-brow stuff scaring newbies off," and 1/12 of the
votes has been undecided.
It seems that the consensus is in favor of creating some kind of new
list for beginners, with a less urgent possibility of creating another
new list for teachers.
I would be happy to spend the time to administer the new mailing list
if that is acceptable.
The only issue is the name of the new list, though: it would seem a
better idea to keep the name mnemonic and short, with the suffix
following "Haskell-" within three or four characters. Typing
"haskell-beginner at haskell.org" seems a bit of a hassle;
"haskell-edu at haskell.org" seems much better.
The only possible problem is that it would then make later creating a
second list just for teachers more difficult, but this seems rather
unlikely at the moment. Also, I doubt that a teachers-only list would
be able to gather enough critical mass to stay alive, because then
only teachers would participate. I don't see why teachers wouldn't be
able to participate together with students in consulting each other as
to what topics to offer in beginner courses.
Therefore, I would suggest the following new mailing list. To save
your time, may I suggest the following entries for the fields at
"Create a haskell.org Mailing List"
Name of List: Haskell-Edu
Initial list owner address: DekuDekuplex at Yahoo.com
Auto-generate initial list password?: Yes
Should new members be quarantined before they are allowed to post
unmoderated to this list? No
Initial list of supported languages. English
(If possible, Japanese and French also, since I know several members
of a local Haskell Category Theory user group in Tokyo who could also
participate in such a list, and know the name of at least one
professor in France who occasionally contributes to Haskell-related
topics. Other relevant languages could also be welcome.)
Send "list created" email to list owner? Yes
In addition, for the "List" and "Description" columns at "haskell.org
mailing lists - Admin Links", the following entries might be
Description: Discussion about beginner questions and issues in
What do you think, Simon?
-- Benjamin L. Russell
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:38:34 -0400, Paul Hudak <paul.hudak at yale.edu>
>Simon Marlow wrote:
>> My main concern here is that the remit for the new list is not clear
>> enough. I can see a potential need for two lists:
>> * a list for discussion related to teaching Haskell;
>> * a list devoted to those learning Haskell, with a less research-
>> oriented feel than haskell-cafe.
>> it's not obvious to me that both of those needs should be served by a
>> single list. I believe it's important that the mailing lists served
>> by haskell.org should have clear non-overlapping topics.
>> So I suggest that we add haskell-edu for the purposes of discussing
>> the use and teaching of Haskell in education. For the second point
>> above, I'd be inclined not to add a new list, but I don't feel that
>> strongly - if there's a concensus in favour of adding
>> haskell-beginners (for example), that would be fine.
>Using Simon's names, I think that there is a greater need for
>haskell-beginners than for haskell-edu. Despite the friendly people on
>haskell-cafe, it is very intimidating, and very busy (sadly, I've mostly
>stopped reading it for the latter reason). I don't think that
>haskell-cafe serves well at all as a forum for beginners, whereas it
>might serve just fine as a forum for instructors.
>In any case, these are two distinct purposes, and I agree with Simon
>that it's probably unwise to have a single mailing list for both. I
>would vote for starting a haskell-beginners list and see how it goes. I
>think that a decent number of experienced people will chip in to answer
>questions (they don't have to be experts -- just good at explaining
>things), and in my experience beginners like to help fellow beginners --
>i.e. it will sustain itself.
>I would also be interested in a haskell-edu list, but as I said before I
>don't think the demand for it is as great as that for haskell-beginners.
>By the way, the haskell-art mailing list is not very active, but it has
>served a useful role. I wonder if it would help to have a description
>of it (and any new lists that we create) to the descriptions at:
> -Paul Hudak
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