[Haskell-community] On the design used for haskell.org

[Gershom B]

Hi Chris.

On the conception of the list, see here for motivation:
https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-community/2015-September/000001.html

Let me just quote my response to your email as it was sent to the
committee email alias:

"Chris: I’m sorry to hear you don’t like the use of the design. I
promise we’ll discuss it seriously. It was a drastic improvement over
the wiki and we were all thrilled to see it deployed. You were
considered very seriously for the committee, but the open slots went
to others who were also qualified, which happens.

I do have to note that outside of the morass of the downloads page
discussion, it doesn’t appear that there have been any obstacles to
making any other parts of the site improved, so I don’t know why you
feel the thing as a whole lacks coherent vision?

I understand that under the license there’s no problem with us using
the site. I also understand if you don’t want us to, and so in my
opinion, ideally we’ll find some way to keep the newfound
streamlinedness of the site (which is thanks to you! thanks again for
your work!) without stepping on your toes by using a design you’d
rather we didn’t.

This is just an off the cuff response from one person of course —
we’ll need a proper discussion."

I'd add that membership status on the committee doesn't (and
shouldn't) correlate with the ability to make core contributions. The
current haskell design is one such great example of this. Others
include of course all the work done on hackage, cabal, stack, hoogle
and many other important resources used widely (including just the
core servers and infra themselves). So I'm doubly sorry you feel that
your lack of membership on the haskell.org committee has precluded
your ability to make contributions.

Let me take this occasion to note, more generally, that I'll certainly
ask around for volunteers to help with a new design for the
haskell.org homepage, and I'd welcome anyone on this list stepping
forward to get involved :-)

Cheers,
Gershom

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Christopher Done <chrisdone at gmail.com> wrote:
> [Re-sending to the curiously conceived haskell-community list.]
>
> Hello,
>
> It's been two years (2014) since I published my design
> (http://chrisdone.com/posts/haskell-lang), which came about because I wasn't
> happy with what was on haskell.org and how it was maintained. After that I
> was approached about using my design for haskell.org, I wasn't thrilled
> about handing over my work to be committee'd to death, and was initially
> shocked into nearly giving up on the whole business, but was turned around
> for the good of the Haskell community in general. In the end my fast horse,
> having waded through months of officialism, became a camel. It took one
> year. One year for the actual site to be deployed (2015) and now in 2016
> it's still lacking clear coherent vision. I applied to be a committee member
> which wasn't considered worthy of reply. And since 2014 I've lost any energy
> in dealing with "the committee".
>
> So I'm going on record that I don't approve of the current haskell.org, nor
> your use of my design, and would like haskell.org to be reset to what you
> had before; the wiki. I don't expect much to happen (as usual), but that's
> kind of the point.
>
> Going our separate ways,
>
> Ciao!
>
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