[Haskell-cafe] Haskell-Cafe Digest, Vol 217, Issue 20

[Michael Turner]

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 11:57 PM Michael Turner <
michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow, someone on this thread said of me, from what I wrote on the
> beginner's list, "He's trying to translate Haskell to C/C++."
>

Brandon Allbery: "Actually no, they were talking about someone on
StackOverflow."

I'm afraid Anthony Clayden actually WAS talking about me:

https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2021-September/134468.html

(Or am I missing some Haskeller in-joke about StackOverflow?)

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> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 11:15:05 +0100
> From: Tom Ellis <tom-lists-haskell-cafe-2017 at jaguarpaw.co.uk>
> To: haskell-cafe at haskell.org
> Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell's "historical futurism" needs
>         better writing, not better tools
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> On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 06:54:50PM +0900, Michael Turner wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 4:58 PM Tom Ellis
> > <tom-lists-haskell-cafe-2017 at jaguarpaw.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Michael, I have an offer for you (in fact two):
> > >
> > > 1. I will collaborate with you to produce the guide to Haskell's
> > > evaluation that *you* would want to read.
> > >
> > > 2. I will collaborate with you to write the NLP tool that you want to
> > > write in Haskell.
> >
> > I think if I write anything long, it would first have to be my
> > "Haskell in Plain English: A Guide for Lexical Semanticists."
>
> Fair enough.
>
> > > I can't do these without collaborating with someone like you.  I
> > > simply don't know what someone else wants to read.
> >
> > So much of good writing is just figuring out an audience. As I wrote
> > to Viktor above, the section he presented to me in case I had trouble
> > with it could be absolutely ideal for someone with more grounding.
> > They could admire the sentence I struggled with, for how it
> > encapsulates their understanding while refreshing their memory.
>
> Yes indeed.  The audience that I write for is myself since that's the
> audience I know.  I am interested in writing for a more general
> audience but I don't have motivation at the moment to do so without a
> member of that general audience on the team.
>
> > I'm not sure that gearing a piece toward what /I/ would like to read
> > is a much bigger audience
>
> I suspect the group of people who are interested in yet frustrated by
> Haskell is *far* bigger than the group of people who are already
> familiar with Haskell!
>
> > If I had to suggest an approach you could try on your own, it would
> > be this:
>
> Thank you for the suggestion.  I will bear it in mind if I decide to
> tackle this in the future.
>
> Tom
>
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> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 08:02:13 -0400
> From: Brandon Allbery <allbery.b at gmail.com>
> To: Michael Turner <michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com>
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> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 11:57 PM Michael Turner <
> michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Wow, someone on this thread said of me, from what I wrote on the
> > beginner's list, "He's trying to translate Haskell to C/C++."
> >
>
> Actually no, they were talking about someone on StackOverflow.
>
> --
> brandon s allbery kf8nh
> allbery.b at gmail.com
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