[Haskell-cafe] Proposed "Restructuring" of State Monad page in Haskell Wikibooks

[Jaro Reinders]

I think part of the reason is that most mainstream languages are very similar
(imperative, strict and impure) and Haskell does many things radically
different. I also think that focused study can bring down the time to become
productive significantly. I have personally started learning Haskell by doing
hobby projects when I had the time. Studying and using Haskell full-time would
certainly have sped up my learning progress.

I would also like to point out that language usage statistics are not reliable.
The TIOBE index, based on number of search results by popular search engines,
indeed puts Haskell below the languages that you mention, but for example the
RedMonk rankings put Haskell above those languages, both by the number of Stack
Overflow questions and by the number of GitHub projects. The PYPL PopularitY
ranking, based on the number of Google searches for language tutorials, puts
only Cobol above Haskell (the other languages are not listed).

On 9/29/20 3:10 PM, Gregory Guthrie wrote:
> If this is true, Haskell will probably never move up into even the top 40 of
> used languages, which would be too bad! And it would be interesting to see why
> – certainly people find good productivity in the mainstream IP languages in
> even 6-9 months.
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>   (Look at salaries from bootcamp placements.)
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> Currently Haskell is significantly below Cobol, Fortran, Lisp, and Pascal in
> the language usage/ratings.   :-(
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> Dr. Gregory Guthrie
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> Maharishi International University
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> *From:* Haskell-Cafe <haskell-cafe-bounces at haskell.org> *On Behalf Of *Branimir
> Maksimovic
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2020 7:17 AM
> *To:* haskell-cafe at haskell.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Haskell-cafe] Proposed "Restructuring" of State Monad page in
> Haskell Wikibooks
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> Two years is not enough to do anything seroius in Haskell. That is beyond demo
> programs.
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> Greets, Branimir.
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> On 9/28/20 6:37 PM, David James wrote:
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>     Hello – I’m proposing to restructure this
>     <https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Haskell/Understanding_monads/State>, and I
>     have a draft here
>     <https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Davjam2:Example/StateMonad>. I’ve given my
>     main reasons for the restructuring at the top of the draft page.
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>     I’d very much like feedback before updating the real page, especially if
>     people don’t like the new one much.
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>     I’m new here, so should probably say a bit about myself. I’ve been
>     learning-by-doing Haskell for about two years. Sometimes I feel I’m
>     starting to get it, but these feelings don’t usually last long. I’m
>     certainly not an expert, and don’t have a PhD in Very Clever Things. I do
>     have quite an extensive IT background, originally programming in Lisp and
>     Prolog, then (sadly) C++, VB and SQL but have had quite a long break from
>     programming (doing dumb things like architecting systems and project
>     managing) before looking at Haskell. I built this website
>     <https://decimos.net/> and this library
>     <https://hackage.haskell.org/package/MapWith>, just for my own amusement.
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>     Apologies if this isn’t the right place to send this. (But then where is?)
>     I’ve already put a note on the page itself about the new draft, but I’ve no
>     idea whether anyone will notice it.
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>     Thanks very much,
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>     David.
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