[Haskell-cafe] Proposal: Professionalizing GHC Development

David Kraeutmann kane at kane.cx
Sun Apr 1 05:33:53 UTC 2018


Leveraging the blockchain to compile GHC is a great idea!

Unfortunately the proof-of-work algorithm is still just wasted cycles.

On Sun, 1 Apr 2018, 07:28 , <amindfv at gmail.com> wrote:

> Overall this is a great proposal; glad we're finally modernizing! Still,
> it's got a pretty steep price tag - maybe we can offset costs with an
> I.C.O.? ("GHC Coin"?)
>
>
> > El 1 abr 2018, a las 00:56, Gershom B <gershomb at gmail.com> escribiĆ³:
> >
> > Fellow Haskellers,
> >
> > Recently there has been much work into creating a better and more
> > professional GHC development process, including in the form of DevOps
> > infrastructure, scheduled releases and governance, etc. But much
> > remains to be done. There continues to be concern about the lack of
> > use of industry-standard tools. For example, GHC development is tied
> > to Phabricator, which is a custom product originally developed for
> > in-house use by an obscure startup. GHC development is documented on a
> > wiki still -- ancient technology, not appropriate for 2018. Wiki
> > syntax for documentation needs to be replaced by the only modern
> > standard -- github flavored markdown. Trac itself is ancient
> > technology, dating to 2003, well before anybody knew how to program
> > real software. It provides no support for all the most important
> > aspects of software development -- Kanban boards, sprint management,
> > or even burndown charts.
> >
> > What is necessary is an integrated solution that holistically
> > addresses all aspects of development, fostering a DevOps culture,
> > embracing cloud-first, agile-first, test-first, disrupt-first
> > principles, and with an
> > ironclad SLA. Rather than homegrown solutions, we need a GHC
> > development process that utilizes tools and procedures already
> > familiar to regular developers. Cross-sectional feature comparison
> > analysis yields a clear front-runner -- Visual Studio Team Services.
> >
> > VSTS is a recognized Leader in the Gartner Magic Quadrant for
> > Enterprise Agile Planning tools. It lets us migrate from custom git
> > hosting to a more reliable source control system -- Team Foundation
> > Version Control. By enforcing the locking of checked-out files, we can
> > prevent the sorts of overlap between different patches that occur in
> > the current distributed version management system, and coordinate
> > tightly between developers, enabling and fostering T-shaped skills.
> > Team Build also lets us migrate from antiquated makefiles to modern,
> > industry-standard technology -- XML descriptions of build processes
> > that integrate automatically with tracking of PBIs (product backlog
> > items), and one-button release management.
> >
> > In terms of documentation, rather than deal with the subtleties of
> > different markdown implementations and the confusing world of
> > restructured text, we can utilize the full power of Word, including
> > SharePoint integration as well as Office 365 capabilities, and
> integration
> > with Microsoft Teams, the chat-based workspace for collaboration. This
> > enables much more effective cross-team collaboration with product and
> > marketing divisions.
> >
> > One of the most exciting features of VSTS is powerful extensibility,
> > with APIs offered in both major programming paradigms in use today --
> > JVM and .NET. The core organizational principle for full application
> > lifecycle management is a single data construct -- the "work item"
> > which documentation informs us "represents a thing," which can be
> > anything that "a user can imagine." The power of work items comes
> > through their extensible XML representation. Work items are combined
> > into a Process Template, with such powerful Process Templates
> > available as Agile, Scrum, and CMMI. VSTS will also allow us to
> > analyze GHC Developer team performance with an integrated reporting
> > data warehouse that uses a cube.
> >
> > Pricing for up to 100 users is $750 a month. Individual developers can
> > also purchase subscriptions to Visual Studio Professional for $45 a
> > month. I suggest we start directing resources towards a transition. I
> > imagine all work to accomplish this could be done within a year, and
> > by next April 1, the GHC development process will be almost
> > unrecognizable from that today.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gershom
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