[Haskell-cafe] [Haskell] GHC is a monopoly compiler

Tony Day tonyday567 at gmail.com
Tue Sep 27 07:37:28 UTC 2016

> Its enemies did a very thorough hatchet job.

Not thorough enough I say, as a sworn enemy.  I actually have haskell
platform installed with batteries included at work on windows (because
that's how we set up python - I pleaded but got nowhere).  I even have a
current bug falling somewhere between the platform and stack - something
crashed looking for the standard linux command line tools - was it the
msys2 or mingw in platform, or was it stack?  Where do I even turn for help?

I'm not part of the 'they' straw-man you sketch out, and I'm asserting that
the reality in the community is the opposite - commercial Haskell is the
runt of the litter and shame on the community for not acknowledging this.

At the very least, bashing commercial Haskell interests for being
commercial is a weak argument, given the reality of how little commercial
scope exists right now.  Accusations of engagement in monopolistic intent
is, quite frankly, pure projection.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Brandon Allbery <allbery.b at gmail.com>

> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 11:11 PM, Michael Sloan <mgsloan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> LOL! Oh man, this guy must be pulling my leg... Haskell platform was
>> never a batteries included plan.  It was a plan for package
>> bureaucracy, mixed in with a broken installation approach.  Sorry, but
>> that was not a good enough attempt at emulating python's "batteries
>> included" . From https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0206/
> Wrong.
> Its enemies did a very thorough hatchet job. But they did let on their
> real intent: "batteries included" meant they can't force people to install
> their new incompatible batteries whenever they decide. "Batteries included"
> was exactly what they did NOT want, and do not want, because it limits
> them; unless, of course, they are the only source of the batteries.
> So now we have a battery store run by a company, which also ships its own
> build tool that works primarily with that store, and requires you to
> specify which generation of batteries to use --- and still runs into
> conflicts when someone wants to mix different versions of things because
> they're building the tool with the parts they need instead of the ones
> authorized by the store.
> Granted, a largeish chunk of the problem is that putting anything into the
> "batteries included" package space (ghc global packages) makes using any
> other versions of those packages scary at best. This is still a problem for
> the packages that ghc itself uses, and are therefore difficult to upgrade
> without replacing ghc.
> --
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