[Haskell-cafe] Monad of no `return` Proposal (MRP): Moving `return` out of `Monad`

Bardur Arantsson spam at scientician.net
Wed Oct 7 23:38:51 UTC 2015

On 10/08/2015 01:05 AM, Brandon Allbery wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Bardur Arantsson <spam at scientician.net>
> wrote:
>> Please consider that the the way practical development really happens[2]
> ....among web developers, who of course are the only real developers?

Nononono, I only provided that as an example. I'm well aware that there
are whole other ecosystems. (I, for example, am currently doing full-stack.)

> Have you considered that there are developers who are not web developers?
> The past day has convinced me that the web devs have relegated everyone
> else to fake-non-programmer status and actively want them out of the
> community because fake programmers don't benefit you real programmers.

Re-read your own words. You're doing exactly the same, just in reverse.

> I had heard that the financial users generally refused to have anything to
> do with the Haskell community.
> Now I know why.

I think Standard Charatered might disagree, but... whatevs.

> I wonder how many of them, if any indeed are left after past breaking
> changes, are in the process of switching to OCaml. I'm sure you consider
> that a good thing, because they're obviously just holding back "real
> programmers".

O'calm down! :)

The world isn't going to end over this.

(And... if you still think it is: Provide quantifiable data: Tell us how
many of *your* MLoC will be affected. Tell us... whatever you can
without violating NDAs, etc. "We" *will* apprectiate and take this into


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