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Sun Oct 23 10:51:38 CEST 2011
the original thread on a mascot, there were about 15 people liking the idea
of a mascot, and less than half of this openly saying against the idea.
I would say the next step might be create a poll using polldaddy, but even
filtering IP addresses wouldn't stop people from using a workaround with
Tor. With email, you can see how many people are registering and
immediately voting. Anyway, I'm not sure how to proceed, but I'm going
going to call it a night and a week with this, since it's going to be long
next couple of days.
Happy Thanksgiving to anyone celebrating the Holiday tomorrow.
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:36 PM, heathmatlock <heathmatlock at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Giovanni Tirloni <gtirloni at sysdroid.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> 1. It's unlikely to get feedback from the larger Haskell community
>> 2. It floods people with email they don't care (unless they care to keep
>> track of the results)
>> 3. One can just as easily create throw-away emails, subscribe to the list
>> and answer the poll
>>
>
> I thought about this, but I was trying to keep the response short.
>
>
>> 4. etc...
>>
>> My suggestion is to create a poll somewhere else and let it run for at
>> least a month.
>>
>
> I suppose we could do this. Kryzyztof suggested Google Docs, so I created
> a poll there:
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFpic3dzZkVtcW5yZkVWbFNuckpyWmc6MQ
>
>
> Or a more elaborated survey with additional questions trying to capture
>> the community's feeling toward a masket and what kind.
>>
>
> I'm not sure what additional questions would be appropriate.
>
>
> I don't think we are in a hurry to get a mascot here so let's take the
>> time and do it properly.
>>
>
> I can agree to that. The reasons I created a poll using the email method
> are:
>
> 1. Typically, mail programs have methods of keeping emails separated by
> topic, so your mailbox isn't littered with just one topic.
> 2. It's quick with little hassle, just respond.
>
> But, you have a point about reaching a wider audience. My only concern is
> how many people outside of the Haskell community are going to vote. Without
> methods of recognizing who's spamming the results, it's difficult to really
> judge how accurately the poll reflects the community's views.
>
> Polldaddy.com has nice spam filters. I'm guessing posting functional
> Javascript to the wiki isn't possible though, this would require someone
> with write access to the site.
>
>
>
> --
> Heath Matlock
> +1 256 274 4225
>
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I closed the poll, it's showing 51% no and 50% yes, 129 to 128 respecti=
vely.<div><br></div><div>I also found out you can vote as many times as you=
want without restriction, with no IP logging whatsoever. This is why I don=
't like putting polls on places where users regularly use anonymity for=
their own agendas, e.g. Reddit, which is when it seems most of the votes c=
ame from.</div>
<div><br></div><div>From the public email poll, there were 4 no votes and 8=
yes votes, and from the original thread on a mascot, there were about 15 p=
eople liking the idea of a mascot, and less than half of this openly saying=
against the idea.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I would say the next step might be create a poll using =
polldaddy, but even filtering IP addresses wouldn't stop people from us=
ing a workaround with Tor. With email, you can see how many people are regi=
stering and immediately voting. Anyway, I'm not sure how to proceed, bu=
t I'm going going to call it a night and a week with this, since it'=
;s going to be long next couple of days.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>Happy Thanksgiving to anyone celebrating the Holiday to=
morrow.=A0<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:36 P=
M, heathmatlock <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:heathmatlock at gmail.=
com">heathmatlock at gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=
=3D"im">On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Giovanni Tirloni <span dir=3D"ltr"=
><<a href=3D"mailto:gtirloni at sysdroid.com" target=3D"_blank">gtirloni at sy=
sdroid.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>1. It's unlikely to get =
feedback from the larger Haskell community</div><div>2. It floods people wi=
th email they don't care (unless they care to keep track of the results=
)</div>
<div>3. One can just as easily create throw-away emails, subscribe to the l=
ist and answer the poll</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I=
thought about this, but I was trying to keep the response short.</div>
<div class=3D"im"><div>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>4. =
etc...=A0</div><div><br></div><div>My suggestion is to create a poll somewh=
ere else and let it run for at least a month.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I suppose we could do this. Kr=
yzyztof suggested Google Docs, so I created a poll there:</div><div><br></d=
iv><div><a href=3D"https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=3Dd=
Fpic3dzZkVtcW5yZkVWbFNuckpyWmc6MQ" target=3D"_blank">https://docs.google.co=
m/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=3DdFpic3dzZkVtcW5yZkVWbFNuckpyWmc6MQ</a></di=
v>
<div class=3D"im">
<div>=A0</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote">
<div>Or a more elaborated survey with additional questions trying to captur=
e the community's feeling=A0toward a masket and what kind.=A0</div></di=
v></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I'm not sure what additional q=
uestions would be appropriate.=A0</div>
<div class=3D"im">
<div>=A0</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div>I don't think we are in a hurry to get a mascot here s=
o let's take the time and do it properly.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I can agree to that. The reaso=
ns I created a poll using the email method are:=A0</div><div><br></div><div=
>1. Typically, mail programs have methods of keeping emails separated by to=
pic, so your mailbox isn't littered with just one topic.</div>
<div>2. It's quick with little hassle, just respond.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>But, you have a point about reaching a wider audience. My only conce=
rn is how many people outside of the Haskell community are going to vote. W=
ithout methods of recognizing who's spamming the results, it's diff=
icult to really judge how accurately the poll reflects the community's =
views.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>Polldaddy.com has nice spam filters. I'm guessing p=
osting functional Javascript to the wiki isn't possible though, this wo=
uld require someone with write access to the site.</div><span class=3D"HOEn=
Zb"><font color=3D"#888888"><div>
<br></div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div></font></span></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><f=
ont color=3D"#888888">-- <br>Heath Matlock<br><a href=3D"tel:%2B1%20256%202=
74%204225" value=3D"+12562744225" target=3D"_blank">+1 256 274 4225</a><br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <b=
r>Heath Matlock<br>+1 256 274 4225<br>
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