[Haskell-cafe] indentation blues

[Paul Koerbitz]

Hello,

TL;DR: If you have some time try emacs, the viper / vimpulse plugins are
pretty good and the editor is awesome in general. Haskell indentation is
good.

I was a hardcore vim user and switched to emacs because the REPL for
clojure was just aweful in vim. I am using the vi keybindings (viper-mode)
and in addition vimpulse (which adds vim-like bindings on top of viper). It
isn't a perfect vim emulation, but I would say it is good enough. All the
keystrokes I use frequently work. The biggest frustration is that the
viper-mode is not automatically turned on in many modes (check out
viper-in-more-modes for that). I find the combination of emacs commands for
the lesser used commands with vim keybings for text editing incredibly
powerful.

Apart from the keybind issues, emacs is a really awesome editor! I mean you
will spend time at first learning and customizing it, but I wish I would
have started sooner! There are a lot of features that are a huge leg up
compared to vim (I love how 'files open' is distinct from 'file(s)
currently shown in buffer(s)' for example) and if you want something it is
probably out there.

cheers
Paul

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:14, Jean-Marie Gaillourdet
<jmg at gaillourdet.net>wrote:

>
> On 13.12.2011, at 11:43, Martin DeMello wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 2:34 AM, Adrien Haxaire <adrien at haxaire.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Regarding, your question whether this is worth switching from vim to
> >>> emacs. I've been using both editors for some years and I very much
> >>> doubt, that "you wouldn't spend much time learning emacs". If you are
> >>> comfortable with vim, stick with it, unless you are interested in
> >>> Emacs or one of its really great modes: org and auctex/reftex.
> >>>
> >>> Regarding, the vi emulations, I'd say they are nice should you ever
> >>> be forced to use emacs for some time. But I don't recommend them, I've
> >>> tried them all. They are not the real thing. Most of them are vi not
> >>> vim emulators. And they always feel like second class citizens in
> >>> emacs land. YMMW.
> >>
> >> Thanks for your feedback. I've never tried vim so I couldn't tell
> precisely.
> >>
> >> I thought the emulations were nice enough to save time learning emacs.
> If
> >> they are second class citizens, I agree it would be wiser to stick with
> vim
> >> then.
> >
> > yeah, i was assuming the emulations were nice enough to support my vim
> > habits too. if they aren't, not even a good haskell mode would make
> > emacs comfortable enough to use given my years of ingrained vim.
>
> I am not saying they are bad, but when I returned to emacs after two years
> of using vim, I was disappointed by their functionality and especially by
> the integration between third-party emacs-modes and the vi emulations.
> Though, I believe there is some work on new vim emulators. I am not sure on
> their status. They are probably no non-brainer option, yet.
>
> What I really liked about Claus Reinke's haskell-mode for vim was the
> ability to insert update statements with one command.
>
> Cheers,
>  Jean
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