[Haskell-cafe] who's in charge?

Gregory Crosswhite gcross at phys.washington.edu
Fri Oct 29 02:33:10 EDT 2010

Also, this is a complete aside but what the heck.  :-)

Has anyone else been driven crazy by the way that Java code and 
libraries are documented?  It seems like whenever I try to figure out 
how to use a piece of Java code, the functionality is spread out over a 
huge collection of classes and methods so that it is impossible to 
figure out where things actually happen and how the code is supposed to 
be used.  Am I correct to perceive this as a general trend in Java, or 
is it just the projects that I looked at and/or my lack of experience in 
how Java sources and libraries are organize?


On 10/28/10 9:53 PM, aditya siram wrote:
> I understand your frustration at not having free tested libs 
> ready-to-go, Java/any-other-mainstream-language programmers tend to 
> expect this and usually get it.
> If a lack of libs is a dealbreaker for you and you want to use a 
> functional programming language with some of Haskell's advantages 
> (like immutability, lazy data structures and STM) I encourage you to 
> check out Clojure [1] a nicely designed Lisp. It is tightly integrated 
> in to the JVM and you have access to all the Java libs you want.
> -deech
> [1] http://clojure.org/
> 2010/10/27 Günther Schmidt <gue.schmidt at web.de 
> <mailto:gue.schmidt at web.de>>
>     Hi Malcolm,
>     well if I would like to point out that, for instance, Haskell
>     exists for a lot more than 10 years now, and that, while the
>     language per se rocks, and there are cool tools (cabal) and
>     libraries (list, Set, Map), there still isn't even a mail client
>     library, I wonder whom to escalate this to, and who is going to do
>     something about it.
>     I understand some parties wish to avoid success at all costs,
>     while others, commercial users, benefit from the edge haskell
>     gives them already and which probably can help themselves in case
>     of, again, for instance a missing mail client library.
>     And then there is the ones like me, which also want to benefit
>     from the edge Haskell gives them over users of other languages and
>     want to develop Real World Apps and who cannot easily help
>     themselves in case of a missing mail client library.
>     So while there are many aspects of the future of haskell, who
>     effectively is it that steers the boat?
>     Günther
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