[Haskell-cafe] Comments requested: succ Java

Peter Verswyvelen bugfact at gmail.com
Sun Sep 27 17:38:51 EDT 2009

That's not really true. Just use CAL from the Open Quark framework... It's
almost Haskell 98, with some extras, and compiles to fast JVM code.

<http://openquark.org/Open_Quark/Welcome.html>They even seem to do all kinds
of advanced optimizations - like converting tail calls to loops - to get
good Java performance.

And they have a better record system, a graphical environment to learn it,

So I think CAL should be in the list, and since it's basically Haskell...

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 6:36 PM, John A. De Goes <john at n-brain.net> wrote:

> I'm not sure what the point of your series is. No one who is using Java now
> commercially can move to Haskell because Haskell doesn't run on the JVM.
> It makes sense to discuss Clojure, Groovy, JRuby, Scala, Fan, etc., as
> "next Java's", because they all run on the JVM and have seamless interop
> with Java. Haskell is not in this category. It's stuck in a different world,
> wholly inaccessible to the masses.
> Regards,
> John A. De Goes
> N-Brain, Inc.
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> On Sep 27, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Curt Sampson wrote:
>  No, it's not quite what it sounds like. :-)
>> Stuart Halloway recently posted a series of blog entries entitled
>> "Java.next"[1], discussing the benefits of four other languages that
>> compile to JVM bytecode and interoperate with Java: Clojure, Groovy,
>> JRuby, and Scala. I thought I'd put my oar in and write a parallel
>> series comparing Haskell to these. I've finished a draft of the first
>> posting, started on the third, and made a couple of notes on the second
>> and fourth, and I thought I'd post the drafts[2] and solicit comments
>> here. If you have time to read and comment, I'd greatly appreciate the
>> help; feel free either to e-mail me privately or post here. Also feel
>> free to forward this to anybody else you feel might be interested in
>> commenting.
>> I'll probably be posting these about one per week, starting some time
>> next week.
>> [1]: http://blog.thinkrelevance.com/2008/9/24/java-next-overview
>> [2]:
>> http://www.starling-software.com/en/blog/drafts/2009/09/27.succ-java-summary.html
>> cjs
>> --
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